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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. Bambler

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    I'm still puzzled over how Dish got this and DirecTV does not.

    Extremely foretelling of things to come considering DirecTV's new stance. Regardless if you like or dislike the PAC-12 network, or whether you like or dislike DirecTV's new policy towards programming acquisition, I truly believe that this dilemma is going to eventually affect us all, as it's only a matter of time before the programming choices you like runs into the same gauntlet.

    So be careful what you wish for.
     
  2. kick4fun

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    That is funny.. I surely would be the clown... :)
     
  3. donm

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    I really think this is a good idea for me except "wife will laugh at you even more." Maybe more then laugh(yell). You got me still thinking about it though. I'm going to bring it up with my wife tonight but I'm not to confident about what will happen though.

    Maybe I should just get Dish 120 package and install only on my main TV that I watch games. I wouldn't even need a hopper just the cheapest DVR. I could lower a few things off Directv and be keep it on all my TV's. Just a thought!
     
  4. donm

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    You guys are going to think I'm crazy but I went to the Dish website and it would only cost me $24.99 a month to get the package that carries the Pac 12 Network. I could drop a few things off Directv that I really don't need that much and hardly pay any difference. I have a very large lot and house where I can put the dish and nobody would see both at the same time. I might even be able to get a better deal if I look around. My wife will be the deal breaker though. I can always play my health problems(I haven't been in good health for a while) and make her feel guilty about keeping me from seeing the Ducks!
     
  5. maartena

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    Still, I suspect Scott isn't telling the truth on that one. For starters, Dish does not have a lot of commercial accounts, and dealing with commercial accounts might be quite different.

    Additionally, the fact that Dish jumped off of a cliff, doesn't mean DirecTV has to do the same. Dish has to pay the amount for 14 million customers, DirecTV has to pay for 20 million customers. It is not unreasonable to think that DirecTV wants to pay less per subscriber than Dish and get a "bulk deal". Just like a wine store offers a discount if you buy wine by the dozen instead of e.g. 8 bottles, DirecTV is a much different customer than Dish, both in number of general subscribers as well as commercial subscribers.

    In short, if DirecTV would accept the exact same deal, they wouldn't be doing their business a favor.

    Dish put the channel on their "TOP250" tier, which would be "Choice Ultimate" for DirecTV, more or less based on similar channel offerings. (There are always differences). But I don't know how many people subscribe to TOP250, which is significantly cheaper than Choice Ultimate (just like TOP200 is cheaper than Choice Extra, and TOP120 is cheaper than Choice), and that might also be an issue.

    Perhaps the "same deal" is considered the "same deal" based on the number of subscribers it is offered to, but not the "same deal" based on what package they want it in, or vice versa.

    Also, Dish does not yet have any online access. Perhaps they don't want it.... perhaps DirecTV DOES, but they don't want to pay any more for it than the deal currently put on the table, but PAC12 says if you want online access, you have to pay X more per subscriber.

    Both companies have completely different package structures, a 6 million difference in subscribers, and DirecTV has commercial accounts. Bottom line: the "same deal" might not work for DirecTV as well as it does for Dish. And the "same deal" might have enough differences for DirecTV to balk at it for now.

    Satellite companies aren't going anywhere. Half of the United States doesn't even have the bandwidth to stream ONE single HD station over IPTV (6 Mbps minimal required), let alone setup a household with 2 or 3 TV's and set-top boxes with multiple tuner. Large portions of the same United States don't have access to cable, including many urban, commercial areas where many sports bars are.

    Satellite television will not see any "demise" any time soon. I live in the middle of an urban area, and I have DirecTV. And dishes are seen everywhere around here, cable doesn't offer any advantage, and neither does IPTV based services, give or take a few differences in their channel line up.

    You are right about the market shifting that has happened over the last 5 years or so, which I think is partly driven by the demise of the economy and the urge to still make the same money as before.... which for any television company losing advertising money means they have to ask for more money from their carriers.
     
  6. kick4fun

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    LOL.. throw in the health bit.. :) If you do, let me know what deal you get and how that works out.. I am curious.
     
  7. maartena

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    Where do you see that? PAC12 is listed under TOP250, which is $39.99, but it isn't listed under TOP120 which is $24.99

    Men will never be able to stand up to their wives. They can threaten to switch all they want, but in the end.... their big mouth is carried by a very small heart. :D - That said, I was able to call the shots when i switched us from cable to satellite. So I have enough influence to make TV related decisions. But not every man has that kind of power. :D
     
  8. Laxguy

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    Excellent! And if you have a really good doctor, he'll insist you do so!

    Best of luck to you!
     
  9. donm

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    I was going by the Dish news release saying the Pac 12 Network will be included in the top 120 package. Plus I have read that on the Pac 12 news release. I will have to check into that now.
     
  10. Laxguy

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    You da man! ;) I started wondering about all this, but I've been divorced a long time, so I dunno how any of that woulda washed with the now Ex. But I don't care a whole lot about that, oddly 'nuf!. :hurah: My GF is quite happy with my toys, and doesn't even want to learn how to set a recording....
     
  11. donm

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    The one thing I have going for me is my wife wants the Pac 12 Network almost as bad as me. She is a big fan and every night she asks me if we got the channel yet.
     
  12. TheRatPatrol

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    I thought it was Top 120 for those living in Pac 12 states?
     
  13. donm

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    That's what I thought. It said in the news release top 120 or above in the pac 12 regions or $9 for sports pack for outside the regions.
     
  14. maartena

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    You might be right on that, but I see it in TOP250 only. If that is the case though, that might strengthen the case for DirecTV to not take the same deal as Dish.

    What if the same deal reads: "PAC12 for x per subscriber and in same package as BTN". Sure, its nice to OFFER the same deal, but BTN is in Top 200 on Dish, and in Choice on DirecTV. This might be the "same deal offered" in theory, but it pans out completely different in the numbers game.
     
  15. donm

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    I just used the Dish chat on their website and that person told me the Top 120plus package for people in the Pac 12 states. Not sure what the difference between the Top 120 and Top 120plus? I still have to think about it and check into prices and what my wife will say.
     
  16. tonyd79

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    Is there something that makes you think that? I havent seen anything.
     
  17. donm

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    It is just a feeling I got from reading between the lines from reading what Pac 12 Commish Scott was saying and other Pac 12 articles. I could be way off but I don't think so.
     
  18. tonyd79

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    I don't think that is crazy at all. If you create your own package with more than one provider that works for you channel wise and financially, go for it.

    Because I have fios Internet and phone, I have fios tv for almost nothing (I think the bundle pays me for it except the dvr fee). It gets me some locals I cannot get because I can't do an outdoor antenna from a neighboring town. In HD.
     
  19. tonyd79

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    Okay. Since I am a sports and tv nut, I'll see if I see anything of the like. I love reading tea leaves.
     
  20. nmetro

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    I was with DISH up to two weeks ago, so this is what they did with BTN, and I suspect they did the same with PAC 12.

    If you live in a state which is part of the conference, you need to be at AT 120 or above; no extra cost for the channel. If you live out of the conference states, then you have to subscribe to the SportsPack. The SportsPack, was $8.00 before PAC-12 came on, now it is $9.

    Also, the original deal with BTN, was $1.00 per subscriber outside the Big 10 states and something like $1.50 within the Big 10 states. Also, DISH reported 2.5 million customers had BTN, with 400,000 who did not live in the Big 10 states.

    In my mind, DISH may be taking a huge financial hit here because of much higher population density on the west coast, especially California. For a company operating on the cheap, DISH CEO Charlie Ergan may be playing the biggest poker hand of all time on the company's future.
     
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