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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    I don't think any one game has any impact at all on DirecTV thinking. Heck I doubt any one season of any one sport does. They look at the big picture. And that's the pac12s problem. They think one game can make a difference. It won't.
     
  2. BusterAvis

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    Yeah, but if a play like "the play" happens (Cal vs. Stanford from 1980), then you can bet that PEOPLE are gonna be PISSED that they couldn't watch it happen live.
    "And he's gonna run into the BAND with it. OH MY"
     
  3. tonyd79

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    I dunno. They continue to be clueless from what I see and read.

    And the claim that the same offer is still on the table for DirecTV that they gave Dish is just bogus. Dish has EXCLUSIVES in that deal. That changes the whole dynamic.

    And, of course, there it the matter of commercial contracts.

    And, hard to admit, but I agree with Buster. The pressure tactic is not working. The pressure will go down with each passing week. Folks who were going to leave have probably done so already.

    I am willing to bet that DirecTV is finding out (that just like the Viacom dispute), the losses are tolerable.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    Dude, very, very, very few people saw "the play" live and I don't know anyone who is unhappy that they didn't see it live.

    Same with Flutie's pass.

    Even same with Fisk's home run.

    We have all seen the replay so many times, a lot of people probably thought they saw it live.
     
  5. sdk009

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    Quote from Commissioner Larry Scott in Sunday's SF Chronicle made at halftime of the Stanford-USC game in Palo Alto Saturday night, "They've (D*) have said their fans don't want it." He said that the conference has made a fair offer...

    If both comments are true then I think D* has swung and missed on this one.
     
  6. maartena

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    Difference here is you have the OPTION to see it live. If making sure that you do not miss a game moment like that, you can switch to Dish. If you DO miss a game moment like that, all you can do is be angry at yourself that you didn't switch.

    If DirecTV does not add this channel, bars will start adding either cable or Dish and satisfy their customers.

    So, if "the play" happens, and you didn't see it, you....

    - didn't switch to Dish or Cable.
    - didn't go to a sports bar who added Dish or Cable.
    - didn't turn on the TV at all.

    Back then, the game probably was on cable, and that's all you got. If you lived outside of cable territory, you were out of luck.

    Now at least you have the choice, and the choice is yours to make.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    Make the choice if you are a fan and want to see the GAMES.

    Deciding because you want to see a play that happens once every 30+ years live is like buying a single lottery ticket only the week the jackpot goes to $300 million.
     
  8. fleckrj

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    And the big picture is that the PAC 12 has been irrelevant in the two sports that people with no connection to the individual schools will pay extra to watch - football and basketball - for many years.
     
  9. Bob Coxner

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    The Pac-12 will be very relevant in bball this year. Both UCLA and Zona should be ranked in the top 10 at the start of the season.
     
  10. sum_random_dork

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    Irrelevant? USC won a NAT'l title, Andrew Luck #1 pick in the draft, Oregon with an offense that is unique and very fast, Aaron Rogers the "best" QB in the NFL? Not sure where you can say that....again the biggest stumbling block for comments like yours was the horrible TV deal they had in the past.....people didn't see a lot of PAC games outside of the West Coast and some games were never broadcast at all.

    I will give you basketball, last year was a horrible year. But in the last few years you had UCLA, Arizona, Washington, and Cal ranked consistently.
     
  11. Spoonman27

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    I've been a Cal fan and Pac 8-10-12 fan for 40 years. Most of the games I want to watch involve Pac 12 teams or West Coast teams. I'm not ready to toss D* out the window but I'm not keeping two providers forever. I've got a good six month no contract rate with Comcast and I will toss them if/when D* adds the network. And I have cut my D* programming and my Pac 12 spending to make this fiscally low impact on me.

    Those that will switch have only begun to be motivated. Until two weeks ago we thought a deal would be made and we have mostly missed lame out of conference matchups so far. Every week that passes people will be switching as conference games they wanted to see are missed.
     
  12. WebTraveler

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    Prepare yourself people, Directv is screwing us and will continue to screw us. The ONLY way this will change is enough people actually cancel contracts with Directv.

    I do not want to cancel it, but I am more and more convinced I will have to. Right now Dish does not have the streaming thing figured out and I understand Comcast is not quite there yet. So I want to see that get figured out because it is the regioinals I am more interested in than the national.

    But by the time Dish and Comcast figure this all out and Directv does not have this resolved I will leave.

    It's bogus that Directv says I do not want the channel or need it. What I don't need is all those crappy Viacom channels they just re-upped for. But I have to have those. The cost per subscriber is set now with 4 of the largest 5 fully on board. The "market" rate has been established.

    The ONLY real place the market rate has not been established is in a commercial bar/sports package since Dish is a really small player in that market. This is the ONLY place Directv has some ability to manipulate or otherwise get a good deal. The rest of it is set.

    Directv lost 52K net customers last quarter. The proof is in the pudding....where are they at this quarter? Where will they be in time? I can only hope that Directv takes it in the shorts big time here, but I do not think it will be in the near term that happens. I think with so much uncertainty in the market place you won't see a lot of changing providers until basketball season or even next football season. By that time the competitors product will be fully vetted and the whole packahe and it's pros/cons will be known.

    Folks, I think Directv is following the old playbook of Dish Network. CEO Michael White is not going to do anything whatsoever to chip away at his ridiculous compensation package. Let's face it, he sacrified his integrity for money some time ago. Unless we can make a BIG impact with significant subscriber losses the status quo will continue and Mr. White will continue to act like Scrooge all the way to the bank as he counts his coins.

    So here's hoping that Dish and Comcast get their streaming things figured out, and if they do, I will be moving on. That's wall we can really do. Calling and talking to a CSR at 1-800-Directv or even the escalation number is a waste of time. Money talks and when enough of that walks is the ONLY way we'll see something.

    Mike White is sitting back in his Sunday morning chair cracking a smile at all of us - after all, he's screwed us all and he's loving it. Integrity challenged people don't give a damn about anyone else.



     
  13. sigma1914

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    To piggyback on your post; the Pac has been very relevant in football & basketball over the last 10-15 years.

    Football - In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma). Oregon is a perennial power. Stanford has regained national attention. Oregon state had a good run early to mid 2000. Utah (new to the Pac) was undefeated in 2004 & 2008.

    Basketball - UCLA is probably the greatest program ever, and still today is one of the top schools of number of NBAers. Arizona went to the tourney pretty much every year and is known as "Point Guard U." Stanford has fallen recently, but they were legit in the 2000s. Washington has turned their program completely around.
     
  14. maartena

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    Big words. But the reality is DirecTV knows people aren't going to switch. Of course there are some that do, but they have taken everything in to account, estimated losses, and are crunching the numbers. And if losing the current amount of customers still keeps them with more money in their wallet than paying for PAC12, why would they need to carry it?

    Thing is.... especially on online forums like this... the threat to cancel is usually just that: A threat. Even if they can slip it past the wife, changing over to a new system, new channels, having to take time off for an installer (unless of course you plan ahead, but who does that!), etc... and switching becomes a hassle.

    Is PAC12 all worth that? It clearly IS NOT, otherwise people would have switched in week one like they said they would.

    So, DirecTV can continue on it's stance, and the nation's wives will keep their customers. :D
     
  15. TheRatPatrol

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    Are you saying he should go back to selling soda?
     
  16. LamontJoe

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    As much as I want the P12N right now, I will not switch. Being in Bakersfield, we are weeks away from local HD so that is keeping me here. I like the fact that on Saturdays I can see 9 different college games in the same time slot.

    I hope this is resolved before the football season ends, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
     
  17. rrdirectsr

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    <------ 3 Saturdays worked and 2 phone calls about being upset over PAC12. Not saying it's not a big want just not much complaining being done.
     
  18. Laxguy

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    I interpreted the comment on relevancy to mean that the USC's, UCLA's, AZ's, Cal, OU, etc. would draw nationwide regardless of their conference. (Though obviously not all and not in every year.)
     
  19. inkahauts

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    You tube, and every news agency would have it on replay. the majority of the sports world would not see it live anyway. Again, sure that may tick of some people, but one incident is not what DIRECTV cares about. It's long term.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    Shoot.. We agree? How'd that happen? :)
     
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