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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. tonyd79

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    No one agrees or disagrees all the time.

    For instance, I agree on your choice of NBA team. :)
     
  2. inkahauts

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    I don't get how DIRECTV is screwing us for not adding more channels and raising everyone's rates to compensate for that one channel, when they are wanting to add it to a different their to give their customers choices and the channel is the one saying they don't want to give us, DIRECTV subscribers choices. I get that we get screwed, I just think it's funny you think the cause is DIRECTV, rather than everyone involved and the system. I am not saying DIRECTV doesn't have some hand in it, but I would not say they are the ones who are doing this all on their own. I can't even blame the pac12 completely either. But I'd give them by far the majority of responsibility in this issue.
     
  3. tonyd79

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    Give it up. His view is that this is 119% on DirecTV and you wont change his opinion.
     
  4. maartena

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    No carrier can carry all channels. I still believe DirecTV will eventually carry PAC12, but you must be prepared to wait. They will carry it as soon as they see a plan that makes business sense for DirecTV. It doesn't matter what Dish or cable paid, it matters what DirecTV wants to pay.

    The ball is really in PAC12's court, DirecTV can go without PAC12 for the entire season and still don't worry too much about losing customers.
     
  5. TheRatPatrol

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    I agree. The sports industry needs to change the way they deliver sports and they need to stop forcing providers to carry their expensive sports channels in the basic tiers. Let the providers put them in a sports package and let the consumer decide what they want.

    Of course I know this won't happen for a long time, if ever. We are at the mercy of the ESPN's.
     
  6. HoTat2

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    Whatever Mike White hopes to secure for his own compensation package is irrelevant. What he better do as any corporate CEO is make sure the company's stockholder investment packages remain profitable or he won't have a job anymore.

    And overpaying for a sports network that at best has limited appeal east of the rockies to not really even "great" appeal to the west of it, is untenable.

    Look, its very simple;

    Unlike CATV and Telco distributers, Directv (and Dish) is a *national* broadcaster, therefore what content providers insist ALL DIRECTV subscribers pay a premium price for, as PAC-12 and TWC Sportsnet are doing, must have a substantial *national* appeal. Not just regional.

    And they simply don't have such appeal for the rates they are charging and their insistence they be included in the basic tier packages forcing all subs. to pay it is the problem.

    And they really know this which is the main reason why they will not consent to allow DIRECTV to offer them as PPV package options.

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  7. tonyd79

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    The problem is that everyone thinks they are espn.
     
  8. nmetro

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    I actually remember seeing "The Play" live. I just got back from watching Yale drop a game in New Haven . It ranks up there with the other great play I saw "the immaculate reception"; also seen live.

    But, let's face it, the DirecTV/Pac12 dispute does not even rate, in the world of sports carrier coverage bloopers,, when you compare it with the "Heidi Bowl". The day, in November, 1968, NBC decided to cut off coverage of the Oakland Raiders - New York Jets game. The reason, the Jets were up by three with a minute left, and had possession of the ball, but the Raiders managed to score two TDs and won the game. Those in the Eastern and Central time zones got to watch "Heidi", as it started at 7:00 PM Eastern. NBC's switchboard lit up like a Christmas tree, according to local news reports at the time. Since that day, no network since has cut off coverage of a football game until its completion. And yes, I saw this happen live, as well.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    Yep. You are never going to get espn and the established channels out of their tiers, and if you do, it will only be one tier up type of thing, you won't get them in a exclusive sports tier. But with with new channels that have no history of placement, and I think that's what DIRECTV is trying to do, set a precedent that new channels will be treated differently. The key is can they stick to their guns and get the channels.. I hope so, it'd be nice to see.
     
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    Oregon's women soccer team is playing on Pac 12 Network. I went to the Duck website and they were live streaming the Pac 12 Network for the women's soccer game. It sure looked good. I couldn't ask for a better picture and would love to have the same streaming with the ducks football. I know there are other considerations with football/Pac 12 contracts that women soccer doesn't have. So, that is why they are letting me see the live streaming without having the Pac 12 Network. If I could just find a friend that has one of the providers that allow streaming I would be super happy. I have a friend that has Dish and I watched the Ducks yesterday on Dish but they are moving and won't be getting Dish once they move.

    This is sort of OT but you know it would be bad for Directv and other providers if they finally find a why to be able to stream their games to everyone and make money. I do believe someday that will happen. Not sure how the providers can stop it. Right now they are refusing to carry the network if they sell their own streaming and by pass the provider but the day will come when the content provider will be able to stream their own content and sell from their site or places like Ruku, AppleTV, Netflix and make more money.
     
  11. WebTraveler

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    Yep. When 4 of the top 5 providers have it then YES the problem is Directv.

    Directv does not give me a rebate for getting less with them.
     
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    With all due respect my TV is full of many channels I do not want, didn't ask for, and have to get to get what I want.

    The market rate for the channel is established. We're paying the same or more with Directv than with other providers, so we expect to get the same deal. If not, I am unhappy.


     
  13. tonyd79

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    Blah blah blah.

    When directv has contracts with 98 of 100 entities (made up but shows directv has many many more deals made than the PAC 12 will ever dream of), then YES. PAC 12 network is the problem.

    Stupid stat. Means nothing.

    PAC 12 hasn't a clue. That is obvious.
     
  14. tonyd79

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    The rate is established? Really? What is it then?
     
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    Perhaps it has limited appeal east of the Rockies....but you know what, no one is asking for the channel to be available on anything other than a sports package east of the rockies. So your argument misses the point here. There are dozens of channels that are limited to various regions on Directv, most notably the regional sports channels.

    And Mike White's compensation is relevant. Because he is paid so much my rates are partially (with other customers) subsidizing his pay. Basically its the get less pay more philosophy with Directv since clearly other providers have included this in their basic packages, but Directv does not.

    Another point - in years past I had all these games and access (well most of them) on the regional sports channels....now I don't. So in theory, Directv owned Root Sports Northwest should cost me less now because it has less content available for its subs.

    Yep, he works for the shareholders, not the customers. When his management style forces the customers to leave the shareholders won't be happy. So there is a natural medium in there somewhere. Look, just last quarter he led Directv to a net loss of 52K customers, the worst showing in it's history.

    Time will tell whether Mr. White's strategy is good for Directv or not.


     
  16. tonyd79

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    Uh, the PAC 12 is asking for exactly that.

    Oh, that's right. Anything said by directv is a lie.
     
  17. WebTraveler

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    When 4 of the top 5 providers have the channel the market rate is clearly established.

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  18. tonyd79

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    No, it is not. The distribution mechanisms for cable and satellite are different. Dish is carrying the national channel with game feeds for regional channels. Cable system are carrying local regional with optional fulltime national and out of market regionals.

    The Dish agreement is closer to what an established rate for DirecTV would be but Dish has exclusive advertising clauses that affect the rate and therefore unsets it.

    Also, DirecTV has a large commercial environment that Dish does not.

    Meanwhile, DirecTV has stated that PAC 12 wants everyone to pay for the channel. That is NOT the deal they made with Dish. If DirecTV is even telling a part truth, then the rate is not set.



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  19. JoeTheDragon

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    TWC Sportsnet is a local area channel and will have blackouts for people out of area.
     
  20. TheRatPatrol

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    Yes sir, exactly my point.
     
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