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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

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  1. tonyd79

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    Don't misunderstand me. I think the conference channels for the bigger conferences make perfect sense. They have a lot of programming that CBS, ABC, Fox, NBC, ESPN and Fox Sports Net, etc., would not be interested in. "Lesser" football and basketball. Wormen's sports, Olympic sports, and more.

    BTN has demonstrated the almost perfect channel. Lots of programming. Access to every school, multiple sports, online streaming. All accomplished with one channel plus live alternate feeds for conflicts. They assure that every conference football game and basketball game is on TV and they use ABC and ESPN effectively.

    If anything, BTN could add more programming at this point.

    The PAC 12 network, as shown on Dish is the same model and is reasonable. The SEC would support itself and, perhaps the Big XII. The ACC is bordline and the Big East is a mess.

    The problem is when they demand too much in either coverage (PAC 12 regional model is overkill but Dish overcame that) or money (PAC 12 for sure, maybe BTN on its next round...it is no accident that they are dropped off Dish).

    The latter is what I refer to as thinking they are ESPN.

    ESPN is a unique animal in the marketplace. Any major system without them is committing corporate suicide. Because of their array of programming, they offere SOMETHING for every sports fan. The only people who never watch ESPN have zero interest in sports at all.

    It would make sense for the conference channels to be a la carte or in a bundle of college sports or even the sports pack, but that is always going to be a bone of contention between them and the distributors.

    In the pros, there is a parallel between YES and the plethora of team channels. Some work out because they have multiple programming (like MASN) but some are pushing credibility (yes, I am talking Lakers network).
     
  2. DC_SnDvl

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    Just asking for the same that B1G has...
     
  3. maartena

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    I have no problem with the channels being in the Sports Pack only. And Big 10 should be there too.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    I was being facetious in response to the 4 out of 5 mantra.

    But from everything I'm seeing and hearing, the PAC 12 folks are undergoing a large learning curve. They am have some specific folks on their negotiating team but they are not going to be independent of the conference. Overall, their performance has been shaky and their understanding of the distribution models has been poor

    I've been following this for a long time. When the PAC 12 and the folks on here who wanted the network were rallying for seven full time channels, I was pointing out why the cable based model did not work for satellite. It seems the PAC 12 had learned but still have a way to go.

    As for directv, there hasn't been much of a public misstep. It is hard to see where they have failed. It looks like their stance is that they will take the channel when it makes sense for their business. If they have made a mistake, it would be in underestimating the demand. The only way we would know that is if they lose a ton of customers. As they have not waged a public fight, there is nowhere you can actually point to mistakes. Yet there are many to be seen from the PAC 12. From the early on twitter campaigns to the expectation of all 7 channels to the nonsense that all the deals are the same. (Heck, even the cable deals differ including how in line is accessed and controlled). To the expectation that a single game would make a difference.

    I'm not laying fault as much as saying that the PAC 12 at best was naive. At worst, greeted and full of hubris.
     
  5. tonyd79

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    Not my point.

    And who knows what the next BTN deal with directv will be. Directv may ask BTN to move up a tier, depending on the price.

    Anyway, if PAC 12 was asking EXACTLY the same as BTN deal, I'd bet directv would've signed. First, they asked for seven channels. And now they are probably asking for a lot more money.

    That is only based upon the directv statement that they were asking for too much for all customers to pay.

    But that is unknown stuff. Neither side is mentioning actual numbers, so there is spin only from anyone.
     
  6. BusterAvis

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    Why the fack won't Pac 12 let DirecTV have the special regional Pac-12 channel(s) in-market out west in the various regions for each network on Basic or Basic-Digital, and then on sports pack for all national customers east of the rockies.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    Me neither. Nor do i expect Directv to have a problem either. But the channels have to agree.
     
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    Directv doesnt want all the regionals. Bandwidth waste. I'm sure thy want national channel in whatever package and game only channels for conflicts.

    I am sure Dish got that because that is where the talks with directv were going.
     
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    USC last won the national championship in 2004, and that victory was vacated. Since 1999, the PAC 12 appeared in the BCS championship game exactly three times with USC winning one and losing one (both later vacated) and Oregon losing one. In the same time period, the SEC won 8 titles with 5 different teams. The only loss the SEC had was this year, when both teams came from the SEC. The Big 12 was 2 and 5, the ACC, Big East, and Big 10 were all 1 and 2. Depending on your views of the NCAA, the PAC 12 was either 1 and 2 or 0 and 1. At best, they were no better than the ACC or Big East, and no one would argue that either of those conferences are relevant in football.

    The last time a PAC 12 team won the basketball championship was 1997 (Arizona). Yes, UCLA dominated basketball from 1964 through 1975, but they have only won one champioinship since then (1995). Since Arizona won in 1997, Butler (2010 and 2011) has played in the championship game as often as all of the PAC 12 teams combined have (Arizona in 2001 and UCLA in 2006). Since 1997, the ACC has won 5 championships, the Big East and SEC have won 4 each, and the Big 10 and Big 12 have won 1 each.

    The big problem with the PAC 12 network is that there are seven channels. One full time channel with overflows for live football games (in the Big 10 Network model) wold have been a no-brainer for DirecTV to pick up (assuming the price the PAC 12 was asking was reasonable), but devoting seven full time slots to one conference is not viable for DirecTV.
     
  10. JoeTheDragon

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    well maybe it can be like Big 10 on cable basic in the big ten areas and sports pack out side of it.
     
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    Big Ten is in a Choice package now. I have no problem with it being moved to the sports pack. Actually, all sports channels excluding ESPN and your major team RSN should be in the sports pack. And we can perhaps divide the sports pack in to two packages. That way, you have the choice if you want sports or not.
     
  12. DC_SnDvl

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    It could be free and they would say that. That is the new directv media quote for everything.
     
  13. DC_SnDvl

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    I don't have a problem with that. The issue will be getting all of the providers to agree. None of them will agree to be at a disadvantage if another provider has a preferred placement.
     
  14. tonyd79

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    Yeah. Sure. That's just silly. If it were free why would it nit be taken?
     
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    If the PAC 12 expectd DirecTV to take all seven channels for free, then I could see why DirecTV would not go for that. It would still not be free for DirecTV. Devoting seven CONUS slots to one conference is a large allocation of resources for DirecTV.

    Providing the six regional feeds locally and the national feed to everyone (whether in Choice or the Sports Pack) is still going to take up either too many spot beams (the "regions" are larger than a single spot beam) or seven CONUS slots, so that is not a viable solution at this time, either.

    The best DirecTV should do, at least until D14 is on line, is exactly what Dish is doing - the national feed full time with alternate feeds for overflow live football and basketball games. I agree that this should be in the Choice package for viewers within the PAC 12 footprint (by zip code) and in the Sports pack for everyone else.
     
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    PAC12 let's them have all 7 channels.
    DirecTV doesn't want all 7 channels.
     
  17. tonyd79

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    Fair enough but we are past that.
     
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    I was saying that in one of my earlier post. I'm not as optimistic as I was at the beginning. I think there is a good chance directv will never carry the Pac 12 network or best case at the start of next years football season. It still depends on how many people drop Directv and also if the remaining put pressure on them to carry the channel. I don't think it is just only because of USC losing but the longer it goes on and with many have people already left. Directv doesn't have as much to lose or gain depending on how you look at it. I hope I'm wrong and Directv carrys the Pac 12 sometime this football season. I like Directv the best and really don't have a option to switch right now but if Charter gets the Pac 12 Network or Dish gets back AMC I'm gone.
     
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    The article makes a key point, that we will really feel the loss of the PAC-12 Net when basketball starts. I can't imagaine the basketball coaches will be happy when they don't have a prime recruiting tool available. Since the PAC-12 recruits across the country, it will be tougher for a coach to pull up to a house with a D* dish on the roof, then go inside the home and tell the parents of a recruit, "have Johnny come to (fill in the blank), but you won't be able to see him play. "
     
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