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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Jul 29, 2013 #281 of 3049

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    That's the kicker. DirecTV could probably persuade YES to move to a more select package, IF they made up the revenue, both in terms of fees *and* lost advertising dollars. But then DirecTV would take it in the shorts or have to make the package much higher per actual sub.

    YES (and the others) understand that the current model serves them well in terms of money. The problem is that they are pushing that model too hard. That they have not learned yet (well, some have).

    We are on the edge of affordability here. In the battleground. What made sense five years ago and a few sheckles cheaper does not necessarily make sense now and at higher prices. The middle ground has to be found or we will continue to have checkerboard coverage of all RSNs across the different providers as everyone gets more selective. And selection will vary. Provider A will have channels B and C while Provider B may have A and B while Provider C may have A and C. And "bewildered" customers will not understand why they don't have the same stuff.
  2. Jul 29, 2013 #282 of 3049

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Spoke to someone at DIRECTV in retention today and while on the phone asked if she had heard many people complaining about not getting the pac12 network. She said it was rare that anyone mentioned it.
  3. Jul 29, 2013 #283 of 3049
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    They have learned ... perhaps some year the market will change enough that the roles will reverse - but for now they have learned that being in a Choice level package makes more sense for their bottom line that being distributed to less customers. They sports channels have learned that in most cases it they hold their ground the satellite provider will come to a deal. (Then again, when the terms of the contract is not disclosed perhaps it is the RSN that meets the satellite company in the middle. Based on the increasing costs reported by SNL Kagan, I'd say that the sports channels are still in a position to keep raising rates.)
  4. Jul 29, 2013 #284 of 3049

    sum_random_dork Icon

    Aug 21, 2008
    Must be the CSR's when I went through retention she said most of her calls were NFL but after that it was about Pac-12 and when they'd see it. Probably just depends on the time(s) you call and what call center you get routed to. But she specifically said Pac-12 was a popular question people asked (I believe she was based in ID).
  5. Jul 29, 2013 #285 of 3049

    majikmarker AllStar

    Feb 27, 2005
    Arlington, WA
    As a WSU alum, I would like to have access to the Pac12 network but I'm with Directv on this battle. And to Larry Scott, I would never even consider dropping DTV in order to get your network.

    Rights fees for exclusive sports channels are skyrocketing, and if DTV rolled over and gave everyone of them what they were asking, there is no telling how large our monthly bill would be. I'm a huge sports fan but I can sympathize with the non-sports fans that are fed up with subsidizing all of the "ESPN's" of the world. I understand that in most cases, large scale Ala Carte models usually don't add up, but for large, specialty sports networks, I think it is the unavoidable future and I would be okay with that.

    And yes, I realize that my Cougs are barely a Pac12 football team but I have faith in Leach getting things turned around! If they were better, I might be a little more "stressed" over this squabble with the Pac12, but still would not leave DTV. I would find another avenue to see my team (family, friends, bar, etc)
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  6. Jul 29, 2013 #286 of 3049

    WebTraveler Icon

    Apr 9, 2006
    I agree.

    The thing is after Root Sports NW lost the Pac 12 they basically had almost nothing in terms of sports for the winter. The Supersonics left town and the Blazers went with Comcast and there was nothing beyond high school football and some basketball games from Gonzaga and some other token sports.

    Before I left Directv I asked about giving up Root NW as a mandatory channel. They laughed at me, Root NW is 100% owned by Directv and in every base package The fact is that so long as Directv pays both sides of the coin on the RSNs then nothing will change.

    I do agree with Directv on putting the costs on customers for the sports channels But the thing is for this to work it has to be either ALL need to be in a sports tier or none. It doesn;t work to pick and choose like this.
  7. Jul 29, 2013 #287 of 3049

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    Who said a deal was "almost done"?

    As far as issue #2 goes, it's not random at all. A few years ago those costs were X, they are now much higher than X and keep going up year by year with escalator costs that add up quickly, especially on the sports side.

    The world has changed a lot with sports and television in the last 5 years. These channels are paying teams billions of dollars in some cases (Lakers, Angels, Rangers, Dodgers, etc, etc) and expecting to have the next guy just pay for it without thinking twice. Problem is that there are many customers in the food chain that want nothing to do with those teams, those channels and especially those costs (i.e. increases in their bills). Now factor in the ability to cord cut or cord shave, and those decisions are lot more complex today than they ever have been.
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  8. Jul 29, 2013 #288 of 3049

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    Every distributor would love to do this in my opinion. Easier said than done when the RSNs are demanding a certain number of eyeballs in penetration and refusing to sell it without that package guarantee. Interesting times ahead, for distributors, for the networks, for the teams. Been sort of a mixed bag the last few years. The Houston RSN has very little carriage, Pac 12 still doesn't have Charter, Directv, Verizon carriage among others, while the Lakers were able to get pretty much everyone. Have to see what happens in the coming years.
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  9. Jul 29, 2013 #289 of 3049

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 16, 2005
    Ironic that new RSNs like the Pac-12 always insist that many subscribers of a given MVPD want their programming if only the stingy stubborn provider would come to reason.

    Yet they steadfastly refuse to have their networks placed in an optional sports tier so all those alleged "many subscribers" can pay for it while leaving others who don't care for it (like me admittedly :) ) bills alone.
  10. Jul 29, 2013 #290 of 3049

    pdxBeav Godfather

    Jul 5, 2007
    ROOT Sports NW is not 100% owned by DirecTV.

  11. Jul 30, 2013 #291 of 3049

    WebTraveler Icon

    Apr 9, 2006
    Probably because she has not been in the position for quite awhile and it's a non sports season. When I quit Directv last October the representative commented that there were a lot of calls about it. Who really knows. But I can say this - I know quite a few who dropped. That's not scientific nor is it going to make Directv change its mind.
  12. Jul 30, 2013 #292 of 3049

    WebTraveler Icon

    Apr 9, 2006
  13. Jul 30, 2013 #293 of 3049

    WebTraveler Icon

    Apr 9, 2006
    This argument has weight if none (or even just a few) of the competitors had the same.
    But they don't.
  14. Jul 30, 2013 #294 of 3049

    camo Godfather

    Apr 15, 2010
  15. Jul 30, 2013 #295 of 3049

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    Yes it is OK , because Directv already has a contract with them. Pac12 I'm sure wants a crapload more money then the cost of Big Ten, and when the time comes for contract renewal with Big Ten it might just be a whole different story.
  16. Jul 30, 2013 #296 of 3049

    kick4fun Godfather

    Aug 9, 2006
    Really, I dropped Directv for Dish and now have Pac12.. But my point if you read my post was that Larry has done a great job creating revenue for the Pac12.. 3 billion in fact through tv contracts with Fox/ESPN.
  17. Jul 30, 2013 #297 of 3049

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    There's no evidence that the increase in revenues - and he didn't "create" the streams; they were there- wasn't a result of expanded conference and renewal of big bucks contracts with ESPN and Fox at higher rates. The man's an ego maniac. Sorry to say this about your pal.
  18. Jul 30, 2013 #298 of 3049

    kick4fun Godfather

    Aug 9, 2006
    "Only the money from ESPN and Fox — about $21 million a school per year — is guaranteed" -----taken from http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-20/Pacific-12-schools-will-see-big-payday-from-TV-deals/55095542/1

    The previous Pac10 commish NEVER got this for us.. By adding Colorado and Utah and working out a deal with Fox and ESPN, shows that he is responsible.. Money wasn't there before.. It came under his watch! Are you suggesting it was already gonna happen under previous administration? NOPE! Pac12 networks with full distribution was going to yield more, but I guess that is still in the works.. They at least are being distributed with Comcast, Dish and other providers.. Right now, this is just a pissing match between Larry Scott and Directv.

    Not sure why you still think Larry Scott is an ego maniac.. He wants full distribution and Directv doesn't want to pay.. That's all.. Both sides are saying what they will.
  19. Jul 30, 2013 #299 of 3049

    TJNash AllStar

    Jun 5, 2012
    San Diego
    With the feeding frenzy we're seeing from the cable nets regarding sports rights, my 3 year old son could have "negotiated" the same deals that Scott did. A rising tide lifts all boats.
  20. Jul 30, 2013 #300 of 3049

    joshjr Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    NE Oklahoma
    I dont really see alot of people leaving for the one station. Maybe I am wrong. There are a lot of Sooners fans here that would probably make the switch if they couldnt get their games.
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