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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    I have a feeling Comcast is going to lose a lot of subscribers over that. If I lived out of region and my provider dropped BTN I'd have someone new by September. Maybe Comcast figures it doesn't matter because people will still get their internet from them if they switch to streaming, but in a couple years fixed wireless will become an option for a lot of people...
     
  2. BlackDynamite

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    And the packets will still have to go through the Comcast network at some point. Thanks to the FCC doing away with net neutrality, Comcast will be free to either block those packets entirely or throttle them to the point where streaming is not an option, unless they get paid by your new internet provider and/or the content provider. And you can bet that they will pass that cost on to the end users.
     
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  3. James Long

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    That is where we come back to the assumption that Comcast has done the math and decided that the money they lose through subs dropping or reducing their subscriptions will be less than the money they lose by continuing to pay for BTN OOM for subscribers who have no interest in the channel.

    (Similar to the math DIRECTV did when they decided not to pay for Pac-12. Sure, they lost subscribers when they made that decision. But they didn't have to pay for Pac-12.)
     
  4. slice1900

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    True, but there will be a larger impact from a channel they've had for years versus one Directv never had. I think that cable companies are starting to see themselves as internet providers first and TV providers second.

    Given the huge bundling discounts they offer, and how much cable/satellite providers pay for programming, its possible they make more money for every customer who cancels TV and keeps internet...
     
  5. joshjr

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    Agreed. Its not quite the same as James was describing. You might lose some of not getting a new channel but not near as may as you would lose for a channel you had but took away.
     
  6. slice1900

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    Its interesting that they took it away now - after basketball season and well before football season. Exactly when Big Ten fans are least likely to notice. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them find out the first Saturday of the season when they want their alma mater play. Hope Comcast plans to staff up their call centers that day, they're gonna catch hell!
     
  7. James Long

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    Comcast is keeping the channel for in market subscribers - the people most likely to want it and be upset if it wasn't there. People in fringe areas (New York !) will be most affected but it certainly helps that the channel is not being taken away from the primary (in market) viewing area. Comcast did the math.
     
  8. JoeTheDragon

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    and they where one of the last big systems to add BTN-ALT HD. But at best it's only 1 HD over flow vs all on most other systems.
     
  9. slice1900

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    They hardly ever use the first alt - maybe half the Saturdays they'll have two 11am/noon games scheduled on BTN and one is pushed to the first alt. I've never seen the second alt used...
     
  10. KyL416

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    They do on satellite. The difference is on cable BTN is regionalized to make sure the "local" game is always shown in full on the main channel, even if it means dumping out of the early game before it finishes to show that game, while the cable alternate has the other games. On satellite the main channel has the early national game in full and the late national game is sometimes joined in progress, or occasionally the other way around, while the alternates carry all the games for that day in full.
    i.e. on satellite it can be a mix of any of the following:
    610 National early/national late
    610-1 National Early Full
    610-2 Secondary Early Full
    610-3 National Late Full
    610-4 Secondary Late Full

    While on cable if the provider only carries one alternate it would be something like:
    Main: Local early full/national late joined in progress (or national early/local late full)
    Alt: other early full/other late jip
    For their subscribers, if they want to see the other games in full, they can only do it via Fox Sports Go or BTN2Go.

    The actual lineup varies depending on how many games are airing that afternoon and what the plan for the main national feed is when it comes to which game has priority to be shown in full.
     
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  11. slice1900

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    I guess I haven't paid much attention to how it works on Directv. Mediacom has two BTN alts (both in SD where I live) and they only get used for a second game with the same start time as one on the main channel. They aren't activating them for stuff like a game running over the time limit, like if there is one game scheduled at 11 and then another at 2:30 and the 11am game runs long then you won't see the 2:30 game until the 11am game is finished (unless it is Iowa playing at 2:30 then they will just cut the 11am game off like you say)

    I suppose BTN doesn't have any control over how this stuff is managed since different providers have different numbers of alts available, and Mediacom doesn't care enough to activate an alt unless it will be used for a full game. Similar to the problems some people report on their RSNs on Directv...

    What's stupid is the alts are active 24x7, so 99.9% of the time they show exactly the same thing that is on the BTN main channel. They aren't as smart as Directv to only activate them when they are needed, which is probably why they are only in SD. They'd waste an entire RF channel carrying two HDs 24x7 that are almost never used.
     
  12. JoeTheDragon

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    some SDV system do keep them live 24/7. att-uverse puts them in the 8-10 flex alt slots.
     
  13. slice1900

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    Mediacom isn't SDV but I guess keeping them live 24/7 without wasting bandwidth is easier when they SD...
     
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    Why exactly does BTN not use these alternates for basketball? So many of their games are online only but would not have to be if they utilized the alternate channels that carry football.
     
  15. slice1900

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    It is only some preseason games that are online, all the conference games are on TV. But yeah, they don't use the alts for basketball (i.e. when the early game runs over) for whatever reason.

    I'm sure they could put all the preseason games on BTN if they wanted, but the reason probably has something to do with using students as the crew/announcers during those BTN+ online games - gives journalism majors looking to go into broadcast some real world experience (also saves money versus paying the pros for games against Div II & Div III opponents that would have minuscule ratings) After all despite all the money flooding into college sports these days, they are still institutions of learning.
     
  16. jw_rally

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    The March article listed below mentioned that the AT&T and Pac-12 Networks contract expires this summer. It also mentioned Pac-12 Networks president Mark Shuken wants DIRECTV carriage be a part of contract re-negotiations. Summer is pretty much upon us. I wonder if discussions have started?

    Pac-12 Networks president Mark Shuken on DirecTV, AT&T, Tier One deals and more

    From the article:
    In 2013, the Pac-12 agreed to a sweeping partnership with AT&T that included equipment, signage in arenas and stadiums, wireless sponsorships and U-verse distribution. The contract expires this summer.

    Might the comprehensive nature of the partnership force the sides to finally agree on DirecTV distribution?

    Or might the DirecTV impasse prompt AT&T to walk away from the conference altogether, taking U-verse with it?

    Shuken seemed to draw a line in the airwaves.

    “The AT&T sponsorship works very well for both entities,’’ he said. “The fact that DirecTV does not carry the networks does not work for us, and we’re not inclined to treat those as separate initiatives.

    “We’re hopeful that DirecTV will choose to launch the networks the way everyone else carries the networks.

    “But I would rather work with another wireless partner than an entity whose television partner doesn’t choose to carry the networks.”
     
  17. Coachbulldog

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    I don't know the first thing about corporate sponsorships as they relate to conferences like the Pac12 so perhaps my view of this is uninformed. But, unless the sponsorship has a benefit to AT&T they can't get by investing elsewhere, the Pac12 is playing a dangerous game here. If conference severs the sponsorship agreement with AT&T, there is no guarantee Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile is going to automatically jump in with same sponsorship cash as AT&T has. Also, by not renewing the AT&T sponsorship, the Pac12 will have burned the bridge to Directv.

    At every step, the Pac12 has mishandled the Directv situation and it seems they are continuing to do so.
     
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    As long as they put it into the sports pack fine. I do not wish to pay for another channel i do not watch.
     
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  19. slice1900

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    I have no idea what the outcome of this will be, all I can say is that this fall is the last best hope for Pac 12 fans to see the channel on Directv. If it isn't on for the opening weekend, Directv will never carry it because it sounds like both the conference and AT&T will have burned all bridges at that point.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    Actually there will be one more chance. When all the original contracts expire...
     

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