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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 4, 2013 #441 of 3040
    tonyd79

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    Oh, I am all for this model, but it's not going to happen. Good luck. The existing programmers won't go this route because they'll cut off the entire distribution model them. New ones might


    PAC 12 had the choice just last year and bound the on line to their content carriers. So maybe it is not an easily achievable option in the near future. It was at the heart of the Viacom/directv dispute just last year. The king of all, ESPN, still ties to carriers.

    Don't think we are there yet.
     
  2. Aug 5, 2013 #442 of 3040
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    When the channel was being formed a couple of years back there were rumors that they would add the ability to purchase an online package to watch games. Google/YouTube had been in rumored talks with Pac12 to create an online streaming package/channel but that died. Eventually they packaged the online rights with the TV rights to providers as Tonyd said, I am sure the pressure from the cable/satellite companies made it quite hard to separate the two with the growth of TV Everywhere.

    On another note there are many upset customers from Comcast/Xfinity because Comcast has disabled the ability to use the Pac12 streaming app to watch on iOS devices. All the other cable/satellite companies let their customers authenticate to watch on the app but Comcast requires users to login via their webpage and watch on computers.
     
  3. Aug 5, 2013 #443 of 3040
    tonyd79

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    When the channel was being formed a couple of years back there were rumors that they would add the ability to purchase an online package to watch games. Google/YouTube had been in rumored talks with Pac12 to create an online streaming package/channel but that died. Eventually they packaged the online rights with the TV rights to providers as Tonyd said, I am sure the pressure from the cable/satellite companies made it quite hard to separate the two with the growth of TV Everywhere.

    On another note there are many upset customers from Comcast/Xfinity because Comcast has disabled the ability to use the Pac12 streaming app to watch on iOS devices. All the other cable/satellite companies let their customers authenticate to watch on the app but Comcast requires users to login via their webpage and watch on computers.



    Wow. Meanwhile Comcast touts its streaming everywhere.
     
  4. Aug 5, 2013 #444 of 3040
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    The other interesting part to this will be what happens 8/17 when FS1 launches. If DirecTV doesn't work out an agreement by Labor Day Weekend that will leave a lot of Pac 12 fans upset and searching for options. While not having Pac12 to some people may not be a huge deal, not having FS1 could be a pretty big deal. Just Labor Day weekend FS1 will have 2 Pac 12 games on their air including a pretty big game of Washington vs Boise St that many would want to tune in and watch.
     
  5. Aug 5, 2013 #445 of 3040
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    FS1 has a ton of big 12, nascar and UFC too. It's way more relevant nationally then the P12N. I would be shocked if FS1 is not on the majority of providers.
     
  6. Aug 5, 2013 #446 of 3040
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    I am not judging the content of one versus the other. If DirecTV doesn't work out a deal with FS1 plus no Pac12 that's a very large % of Pac 12 games that won't be seen on DirecTV by Pac 12 fans.
     
  7. Aug 5, 2013 #447 of 3040
    James Long

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    FS1 is a wash at this point since none of the top providers have it. I suspect that there will be providers showing NASCAR and other racing content on Speed while the details are worked out. The non-racing content will likely be covered by the filler programs currently found on Speed. (The providers have a contract for Speed, a motor sports network, that Fox needs to honor.)

    I doubt DirecTV will be the last to get FS1 ... but it is part of a big shuffle in channels. Lots of tango and a little extra cash. But the fallback of grandfathered Speed makes it less important to have on day 1. Speed should become FS1 lite.

    There is no PAC-12 lite ... unless one counts all the PAC-12 games already available via other channels (which will remain available only via those other channels even to subscribers of PAC-12). And much of the competition has it. Hopefully some day DirecTV will have it too.
     
  8. Aug 5, 2013 #448 of 3040
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    The #19 team verse an unranked team is a pretty big game?
     
  9. Aug 5, 2013 #449 of 3040
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    It is a decent non-conference game.
     
  10. Aug 6, 2013 #450 of 3040
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    It surprises me that the BTN is on DirecTV and we are still waiting for the Pac 12 Network. Is Scott overplaying his hand here?
     
  11. Aug 6, 2013 #451 of 3040
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    From James
    FS1 is a wash at this point since none of the top providers have it. I suspect that there will be providers showing NASCAR and other racing content on Speed while the details are worked out. The non-racing content will likely be covered by the filler programs currently found on Speed. (The providers have a contract for Speed, a motor sports network, that Fox needs to honor.)




    Am I missing something, Cause they don't look like new channels.

    We go our Letter from Blue ridge cable stating New channel Names

    FS1 /Speed , FS2/Fuel and Fox Soccer/ FXX
    Looks like Speed is already calling themselves FS1.


    http://www.brctv.com/news/foxsports1foxsports2fxxchannels-31-jul-13
     
  12. Aug 6, 2013 #452 of 3040
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    Fox is asking for more money for FS1...about four times more per sub.

    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/07/15/Media/FS1.aspx

    Because of that it's no longer a wash. It's no longer a matter of content changing on an existing channel. IIUC, since the content is now different than what was negotiated for in the current carriage agreements both parties can re-negotiate. Fox wants to quadruple the per sub fee and the providers are are balking.

    Mike
     
  13. Aug 6, 2013 #453 of 3040
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    Ok so with this name change , Fox wants more money.
     
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    It is a totally different channel, which is why FOX wants more money.
     
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    Mike Bertelson

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    They're going from a single sport to a multi-sports...they want to be ESPN and want to be paid like it.

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    It seems like Fox wont have much of a leg to stand on considering it lost EPL, F1 and NASCAR. How can they ask 4 times more with less content unless I'm missing something.
     
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    First off, this is the Pac12 post so I will keep it quick. FS1 will have quite a bit of product going forward-Pac 12, Big 12, Conf USA football games, NASCAR will still be on FS1 going forward, and next year they will also be moving some of their MLB coverage to FS1. It will actually have quite a bit of content, that is why FOX was so busy buying up content they felt was valuable for a full time sports cable channel. The CFB games that were on FX last year are moving to FS1, many of the MLB Games in the past on FOX OTA will also start to appear on FS1. Plus, as was stated earlier they will also be carrying the UFC.
     
  18. Aug 6, 2013 #458 of 3040
    sigma1914

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    They're carrying sports more people watch... college football, MLB, UFC and others. Other than NASCAR, American tvs aren't tuning into those sports. (I'm not knocking the sports.)
     
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    They will also have a ton of college basketball, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, CONCACAF Champions League, CONCACAF Gold Cup, etc.
     
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    James Long

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    I was calling it a wash because at this point neither satellite provider and most cable providers have not agreed to carry FS 1. The statement was made in reply to a post that thought DirecTV would hurt more if they didn't have PAC-12 or FS 1. (Personally, I believe they will get a deal on FS 1. Perhaps not by day one but at least by the end of the month.)

    It is a big change which has triggered renegotiating contracts since the channels are NOT the same as their previous named channel. There is a whole lot of content shifting going on.
     

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