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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 14, 2013 #521 of 2974
    harsh

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    You've substantially missed the point. The PAC-12 wants the viewership that DIRECTV would bring to the dance. In that way, they make a mountain of money from advertising where they're currently only making a landfill full of money. By convincing viewers to change providers or embarrassing DIRECTV into a contract, they win more eyeballs.

    This is business decision and there's a pretty good chance that it will ultimately pay off in the long run; especially if DIRECTV's competitors join in on the PAC-12 end of the rope.
     
  2. Aug 14, 2013 #522 of 2974
    Laxguy

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    The bolded parts are substantially different, which indicates you missed my point.

    Secondly, PAC 12 doesn't make their money from advertising. Indirectly, very much so, but I suspect you knew that at some level.
     
  3. Aug 15, 2013 #523 of 2974
    Spoonman27

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    The FS1 deal is an interesting data point. Directv and others held the line and FS1 backed off their price.

    Read the full story.
     
  4. Aug 15, 2013 #524 of 2974
    tonyd79

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    Wow. That is a lot more than we usually hear on deals. Also, the right move by all. It is exactly what I told the FS1 people who interviewed me for a "voice of the customer" video. Get on the systems first, then prove your worth and ask for more later.
     
  5. Aug 15, 2013 #525 of 2974
    woj027

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    I know we talked about the Pac-12 networks going on the offensive against DirecTV, but the schools are now too. Just taking a page out of the Pac-12 website.

    http://pacmail.em.marketinghq.net/functions/message_view.html?mid=508393&mlid=53&siteid=2008000051&uid=e0e5907e42&hq_e=el&hq_m=508393&hq_l=1&hq_v=e0e5907e42

    I replied when I got this as an email from OSU and told them that I didn't appreciate them playing low ball like the Pac-12 Nets (I understand they have little choice).
     
  6. Aug 15, 2013 #526 of 2974
    Bambler

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    Trying to compare the FS1 deal to the Pac-12 Network deal is like comparing apples to oranges, other than the fact that favored nation clauses would kick in.

    The Pac probably has the money from Comcast and Dish accounted for and any discount to DirecTV might not work out, financially, regardless of how much more money DirecTV's viewership provides (assuming the discount is large).

    They just can't do it and consequently, the Pac-12 Network will never be carried by DirecTV based on the recent tone.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2013 #527 of 2974
    Mike Bertelson

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  8. Aug 16, 2013 #528 of 2974
    tonyd79

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    Would a most favored nation clause include the tier? Somehow I doubt it. Directv says they are willing to pay full price if they can make it an option. Given tier differences on a ton of channels all over the place (including the channel the PAC 12 claims they are modeled after, BTN), I would be surprised if tiers are included in most favored nation clauses.

    Anyone know for sure?
     
  9. Aug 16, 2013 #529 of 2974
    Bambler

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    The offer to DirecTV was and is pretty much the same offer Dish got: everyone in market @ around 80 cents and sports tiers out of market @ probably pennies per sub, I believe based on past reports.

    DirecTV wants "a discount." Pac can't and won't. Deal will never happen.
     
  10. Aug 16, 2013 #530 of 2974
    Mike Bertelson

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    A major sticking point the the national channel. DIRECTV doesn't want to make it part of a national package and PAC12 won't budge. DIRECTV wants to carry it in market and make it an addon out of market. IIUC, that's the sticking point.

    Mike
     
  11. Aug 16, 2013 #531 of 2974
    tonyd79

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    That is not what I asked.

    Answering "I don't know" would have been the same.
     
  12. Aug 16, 2013 #532 of 2974
    Bambler

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    I don't believe the national channel is nationwide on Dish, why would it be different on DirecTV? It's on a low tier in-market and sports everywhere else. Maybe I'm wrong, but please enlighten me?

    In any case, this deal will never happen, so I have no idea why the merits of their refusal even matters at this point. If Dish, notorious for cheapskate deals can do it, DirecTV's refusal speaks volumes if they are offered the same deal, which again will never happen.

    So at least we agree on one point.
     
  13. Aug 16, 2013 #533 of 2974
    Mariah2014

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    It is on a120+ in market outside it is Sports package. This type of arrangment is what the other companies have done when the station was added.
     
  14. Aug 16, 2013 #534 of 2974
    adkinsjm

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    If DISH can make a deal, DirecTV can as well. Just wait until the Uverse deal is announced. The national, SoCal, and Bay Area channels are listed on TitanTV when you select Uverse.


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  15. Aug 16, 2013 #535 of 2974
    Bambler

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    There's no deal that's going to happen; there's so much bad blood going around, it will never get signed.

    I've never seen DirecTV's PR machine spin this (and frankly flat-out lied at times) more than they are doing now. It's actually quite funny if you are even partially in-tuned to the situation.

    In any case, a deal will definitely not happen this year and most likely never.
     
  16. Aug 16, 2013 #536 of 2974
    James Long

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    The theory is: "PAC-12 wants to be treated the same as Big Ten."

    Big Ten is nationwide on DirecTV. That is what PAC-12 is looking for.
    Big Ten is not nationwide on DISH (in region and in sports pack). The same as PAC-12 on DISH.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2013 #537 of 2974
    Bambler

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    Larry Scott has gone on record saying they have offered the same deal they offered to Dish.

    Read that as you may.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2013 #538 of 2974
    tonyd79

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    Larry Scott has gone on record saying they have offered the same deal they offered to Dish.

    Read that as you may.


    Totally trustworthy source.


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  19. Aug 16, 2013 #539 of 2974
    Bambler

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    Every provider that has the Pac-12 network has the same deal: everyone in-market, sport's tier elsewhere.

    What would make you believe it would be different with other providers? So yes, I believe him.
     
  20. Aug 16, 2013 #540 of 2974
    sigma1914

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    Dish gets advertising rights in P12 arenas and stadiums is 1 glaring difference.
     

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