For fans who root for Pac-12 teams but watch their television via DirecTV, it's always a good news, bad news scenario when talking Pac-12 Networks.
The good news, as the Networks' new president Lydia Murphy-Stephans proudly notes, is that their first year, by their own standards, has been a rousing success. Launched in August, the Pac-12 Networks broadcast 550 live events in addition to more than 200 hours of original programming. In its second year, they plan to carry 750 live events.
So, that's the good news. The bad news, if you're a DirecTV subscriber: you still probably won't be able to watch any of it.
Murphy-Stephans, who was promoted from her position as executive vice president and general manager when then-president Gary Stevenson resigned in April, called it "a disappointment" that negotiations between the Pac-12 Networks and DirecTV haven't progressed.
And how much does anyone here believe Swanni. I am not sure that talks were ever "off". They just were not going anywhere.
If we get PAC 12 network, that will be great. If we do not get it, it is not something that would make me think about leaving DirecTV. The three big non-conference matchups that involve a PAC 12 school this weekend are all available on channels other than the PAC 12 network.
Two of the four games on the PAC 12 Net this weekend have major implications: Fresno ST @ Colorado & BC @ USC. With a win at Colorado and a win next week against Boise St., Fresno can put itself into BCS busting contention, and everyone who isn't a USC booster (and some who are boosters)want to see the demise (again) of Lane Kiffin.
Two of the four games on the PAC 12 Net this weekend have major implications: Fresno ST @ Colorado & BC @ USC. With a win at Colorado and a win next week against Boise St., Fresno can put itself into BCS busting contention, and everyone who isn't a USC booster (and some who are boosters)want to see the demise (again) of Lane Kiffin.
Of the PAC 12 games this weekend, I would be much more interested in UCLA at Nebraska (ABC), Washington at Illinois (BTN), Wisconson at Arizona State (ESPN), or Ohio State at Cal (FOX). None of those can come even close to the interest or implication of the Alabama at Texas A&M (CBS) game.
Fresno State at Colorodo might be more competitive than Tennessee at Oregon (ABC), but other than for the Lane haters (and I have to agree there are a lot of those - there were and still are "Fire Lane" signs everywhere in Knoxville ), the BC at USC game is no more important than the Louisville at Kentucky (ESPN) game. Even if Fresno State does knock someone out of a BCS slot, it is like a bubble team making it into the NCAA basketball tournament. They are not going to do anything once they get there.
I went back and read Swanni post and one line from it is an absolute lie:
"Dan York, DIRECTV's chief content officer, tells the Seattle Times that most of the games broadcast by the Pac 12 Network can be seen on other networks such as ESPN."
What is he talking about? Any game on the PAC 12 Net is exclusive to it.
No wonder D* can't keep its story straight, when its execs don't know what they are talking about.
I went back and read Swanni post and one line from it is an absolute lie:
"Dan York, DIRECTV's chief content officer, tells the Seattle Times that most of the games broadcast by the Pac 12 Network can be seen on other networks such as ESPN."
What is he talking about? Any game on the PAC 12 Net is exclusive to it.
No wonder D* can't keep its story straight, when its execs don't know what they are talking about.
Fresno State at Colorodo might be more competitive than Tennessee at Oregon (ABC), but other than for the Lane haters (and I have to agree there are a lot of those - there were and still are "Fire Lane" signs everywhere in Knoxville ), the BC at USC game is no more important than the Louisville at Kentucky (ESPN) game.
I hope it's true. I hope DIRECTV and PAC-12 are actively negotiating. I really want to see these channels in my guide.
However, as many have said, I really don't think it's going to happen, at least not this year. And I can live with that fact. It's just not going to happen.
I'm not going to switch to the only other provider in the area (Dish) as I have too much invested in my current setup. I can hit most Beaver home games as I don't live too far away and I'll live if I can't catch the game live on TV. Radio is still an option.
So, I'll be patient and hope that my exceedingly low expectations will be shattered but I think DIRECTV has a much bigger hammer and the PAC-12 needs to move before we see some progress. Judging by all the TV ads and AD comments, that's going to be a pretty tough sell.
Actually after reading the story in the Seattle Times, is was Swanni who totally took York's words out of context. This what York said: "It turns out the price-value proposition is even lower than we've offered. Most of the games fans really want to see will still be available on DirecTV."
I apologize to York and promise NEVER to trust Swanni ever again.
Of the PAC 12 games this weekend, I would be much more interested in UCLA at Nebraska (ABC), Washington at Illinois (BTN), Wisconson at Arizona State (ESPN), or Ohio State at Cal (FOX). None of those can come even close to the interest or implication of the Alabama at Texas A&M (CBS) game.
Fresno State at Colorodo might be more competitive than Tennessee at Oregon (ABC), but other than for the Lane haters (and I have to agree there are a lot of those - there were and still are "Fire Lane" signs everywhere in Knoxville ), the BC at USC game is no more important than the Louisville at Kentucky (ESPN) game. Even if Fresno State does knock someone out of a BCS slot, it is like a bubble team making it into the NCAA basketball tournament. They are not going to do anything once they get there.
Just because you're not personally interested in those games doesn't mean nobody else is. Plenty of people would love to watch those games. If you're a fan of any non bcs team you probably want to watch Fresno since they're one of the main teams with a decent shot to bust the bcs.
Plenty of people bet on these games too. It's not always all about the SEC.
I hope this is a good sign, I found it interesting Uverse rolled out Pac12 last weekend. But they only added Bay Area, LA, and the Natl channel. They rolled all three out nationwide. I would say that is an sign they are not mandating 7 channels or nothing now that a precedent has been set.
Of the PAC 12 games this weekend, I would be much more interested in UCLA at Nebraska (ABC), Washington at Illinois (BTN), Wisconson at Arizona State (ESPN), or Ohio State at Cal (FOX). None of those can come even close to the interest or implication of the Alabama at Texas A&M (CBS) game.
Fresno State at Colorodo might be more competitive than Tennessee at Oregon (ABC), but other than for the Lane haters (and I have to agree there are a lot of those - there were and still are "Fire Lane" signs everywhere in Knoxville ), the BC at USC game is no more important than the Louisville at Kentucky (ESPN) game. Even if Fresno State does knock someone out of a BCS slot, it is like a bubble team making it into the NCAA basketball tournament. They are not going to do anything once they get there.
We'll see about that if it happens....there's plenty of football to play, but yeah this dispute finally affected me this weekend as I'll have to resort to hacked (albeit high quality) streams for Pac-12 network using the HDMI out on my notebook to my 55" for my BBQ to watch my 'Dogs roll over the Buffs :grin:
I'm not even sure how to take this post. Just because you're not personally interested in those games doesn't mean nobody else is. Plenty of people would love to watch those games. If you're a fan of any non bcs team you probably want to watch Fresno since they're one of the main teams with a decent shot to bust the bcs. Plenty of people bet on these games too. It's not always all about the SEC.
Totally agree. Really strange post from someone telling you not having access to certain games is no big deal because in their mind they're not worth watching anyway. The BC-USC game is fascinating to see if Lane and his team will implode, or if they have something left in the tank. Fresno State - Colorado is another interesting game, seeing if Colorado can begin their rise from the ashes.
That's the beauty of all sports. Games are decided on the field, not in an internet forum.
This is the first week that multiple Pac12 games are in play that a large number of folks want to watch (I'm tied to watching the BC-USC tilt myself), but yet again, DirecTV and the Pac 12 can't see eye to eye. I haven't even gone to DirecTV's message board. I'm sure they'll tell me to listen to it on the radio (what a NOVEL idea!), but I really have to wonder how much longer this kind of Mexican standoff is going to continue.
I don't see that happening anytime soon, he did as they asked him to do when he was hired. Get a much better TV deal, create a network and bring in big $$$ while expanding the conference.
Dish is using an overflow channel to show the Fresno St@ Colorado game, since its only on the PAC 12 Rocky Mtn channel while the BC @USC is on the national channel. Why couldn't D* & the Pac 12 agree to the same? (Comcast is doing the same for its subs here in California).
Because PAC 12 wants DirecTV to uplink all seven PAC-12 channels. BTN DirecTV uses your described procedure for BTN. Then again, BTN is only one channel and uses overflow only during football and basketball seasons. By the way, I was under the impression that Dish is uplinking all seven PAc-12 channels. So, it is interesting they are using an overflow channel.
sdk009 said:
Dish is using an overflow channel to show the Fresno St@ Colorado game, since its only on the PAC 12 Rocky Mtn channel while the BC @USC is on the national channel. Why couldn't D* & the Pac 12 agree to the same? (Comcast is doing the same for its subs here in California).
Because PAC 12 wants DirecTV to uplink all seven PAC-12 channels. BTN DirecTV uses your described procedure for BTN. Then again, BTN is only one channel and uses overflow only during football and basketball seasons. By the way, I was under the impression that Dish is uplinking all seven PAc-12 channels. So, it is interesting they are using an overflow channel.
Because PAC 12 wants DirecTV to uplink all seven PAC-12 channels. BTN DirecTV uses your described procedure for BTN. Then again, BTN is only one channel and uses overflow only during football and basketball seasons. By the way, I was under the impression that Dish is uplinking all seven PAc-12 channels. So, it is interesting they are using an overflow channel.
To be fair to the PAC 12, I'm not sure they are still demanding that. They sure did (publicly) at launch but it sounds like they backed off that.
What appears to be the sticking point is who gets it at what package. If the PAC 12 is asking to match BTN status on each provider (which seems consistent with what has happened thus far and is consistent with claiming all the deals are the same from that view), and directv doesn't want a national basic package deal, we have a standoff. That is how it looks to me.
Dish is using an overflow channel to show the Fresno St@ Colorado game, since its only on the PAC 12 Rocky Mtn channel while the BC @USC is on the national channel. Why couldn't D* & the Pac 12 agree to the same? (Comcast is doing the same for its subs here in California).
If that is true they should settle for less, as they did with DISH.
I believe their initial request was for seven channels ... but that was before they had any national carriage contracts and the local cable companies were agreeing to carry less than seven channels (whatever was appropriate for their market).
nmetro said:
By the way, I was under the impression that Dish is uplinking all seven PAc-12 channels. So, it is interesting they are using an overflow channel.
Nope ... DISH treats PAC-12 just like BTN on DISH - except the PAC-12 main channel is not in 24/7 HD.
The additional content is "game only" on special alternate channels.
Why would they do that.....Pac 12 is bringing in substantial dollars and providing unparalled access. Fact that Directv chooses to not do business with them is on Directv not the Pac 12. Directv wants a deal different than everyone else.....why on earth would Pac 12 do that? Then they would owe substantial dollars back to every other system......that would get him fired. Your anger should be directed at Directv and CEO Mike White.....or you can just switch.
I do not think the Longhorn network will ever be picked up by DirecTV unless it morphs into a Big 12 network, but I believe there will be a PAC 12 deal in place for the start of the 2014 season.
If I cared about the PAC 12, I woiuld be more upset with the conference for starting another unnecessary network and for doing it in such a way that is not favorable to a national provider like DirecTV. The PAC 12 should have followed the BIG 10 (and soon to be SEC) model or the PAC 12 should have gotten deals with the regional sports networks. Even before the SEC network launches, every SEC game is televised.
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