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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 21, 2013 #761 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    How does that matter if they are being counted individually? Then count them as one.

    As for the big providers. The only one that is totally national is Dish. Comcast and TWC are regional companies. The only real comparison is national to national when it comes to making the deal. Especially when PAC 12 Network itself uses a regional model.
     
  2. Aug 21, 2013 #762 of 2972
    Bambler

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    I know this all premature, but you have to believe the Pac-12 is elated Google has entered the room in regards to "Sunday Ticket" (no idea if that trademark is owned by DirecTV or the NFL come to think of it now).

    All those fans, who under normal circumstances would love the network but won't switch due to their desire to retain Sunday Ticket, will be able to do so at will. In fact everyone who wants a particular regional sports network and has the same feelings can also do the same.

    Although, based on the arguments here, it probably wouldn't hurt DirecTV much, as there are so few west coast football fans. So maybe DirecTV walks.
     
  3. Aug 21, 2013 #763 of 2972
    Sandra

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    If it was $10 per subscriber I would understand DirecTV's reluctance to come to an agreement.


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  4. Aug 21, 2013 #764 of 2972
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    Actually, since Google is filled with Pac-12 grads, maybe they'll work some way to get the Pac-12 Network as well!
     
  5. Aug 21, 2013 #765 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    Huh? You don't understand a business decision based upon their numbers and research? Why do they have to prove it to you or anyone else?
     
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  6. Aug 21, 2013 #766 of 2972
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    Not sure what you're getting at with Google. IDirecTV maintains all NFL Sunday Ticket rights at this stage and one can only assume it will pay $$$$$ to keep it in the future.
     
  7. Aug 21, 2013 #767 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    Kind of locked up for a while with Comcast, etc. If PAC 12 would go internet via Google, they would violate their contracts with the existing carriers. We know they don't want to do that because, well, all of you telling us that they need to protect them and not give a better price to DirecTV.

    Can't have it both ways.
     
  8. Aug 21, 2013 #768 of 2972
    Bambler

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    Oh, so you're saying they can't offer a lower price to DirecTV and that argument for why it should be lower really doesn't have any bearing here?
     
  9. Aug 21, 2013 #769 of 2972
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    They don't...and I don't have to prove anything to you either. Let's leave it at that and not get personal.


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  10. Aug 21, 2013 #770 of 2972
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    That was personal?
     
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  11. Aug 21, 2013 #771 of 2972
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    ANYWAY - back to topic

    I do think it will be interesting to see if DirecTV's attitude toward Pac-12 Network will change if DirecTV loses NFL exclusivity...and Pac-12 fans can switch providers and see both their NFL games AND the Pac-12 Network in the same place.


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  12. Aug 21, 2013 #772 of 2972
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    I have never said they should offer a lower price. The price is what it is. DirecTV has decided it is too high. However, there are other means other than price involved. That is where the problem lies. I still do not think that the PAC 12 understands the satellite model nor do they know how to deal with a true national provider.

    I keep coming back to their insistence on being treated like BTN. Well, on DirecTV, BTN is national. On Dish, it is not. So, if they insist on BTN treatment, the deal for Dish is not the same as that for DirecTV. And that is something DirecTV does not want to do. For their own reasons. (The higher and more national popularity of the Big Ten with the more regional reach of the PAC 12 being one of them.)

    So, stop trying to claim I am making circular arguments. I am not. I am saying it doesn't work for DirecTV, then it doesn't work. Some people here focus on a "discount" and ignore the other part of the DirecTV statement about cost (that they want different distribution rules). No one knows the details of the contracts.

    But we do know that DirecTV says the PAC 12 wants too much money. Money can be calculated in several ways. Per sub cost is only one. The others are the definition of a sub (tier) and the location of sub (regional). I have asked before if anyone knows if MFN status pertains to cost per sub or if it pertains to all aspects of the contract.

    If PAC 12 wants 80 cents for everyone in every state that the PAC 12 has a school, that is a lot more money than the cable systems that have carriage agreements in specific markets (LA, SF, etc). DirecTV may be very willing to pay the full price in the major markets for each school but not across the entire PAC 12 landscape. Nor do we know what they want in Ohio, Pennsylvania or South Carolina. If they want the same that BTN has with DirecTV, they have carriage at a lower rate. We do not know what they want.

    And we get ZERO from the PAC 12 on what they want. They tell us nothing substantial. They just make "funny" commercials and make coaches get involved in TV contracts. What we do know is that DirecTV says the bill is too damned high. There are many ways to how high gets to be how high. DirecTV is smarter than just looking at 80 cents per sub that is thrown around without anyone defining what the sub means.
     
  13. Aug 21, 2013 #773 of 2972
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    First, you are talking a ways off. The PAC 12 may be on DirecTV by then. Second, who says they will lose exclusivity. Given that it is THEIR decision to do so or not (I believe every contract they have for ST gives them right of first refusal), I would think they would make that a business decision like any other.

    However, it may play a part someday. I firmly believe Dish got PAC 12 because it looked like BTN was gone for good for them at the time.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2013 #774 of 2972
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    Well, since a lot of this is conjecture and as tonyd79 stated nobody knows for sure, your guess is as good as anyone else's.


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  15. Aug 21, 2013 #775 of 2972
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    Even if they only want .24 cents per subscriber, that's still 5 Million dollars. And I highly doubt that's all they want.

    James claimed it wouldn't be all 20 million customers paying, but I disagree,
    Pac 12 isn't going to go with a deal that wouldn't cover them just incase every Directv subscriber decided to want the channel.

    That would be dumb.
    Pac 12 wants a Deal that would allow access to all 20 million customers. That's the point of business!
    Why do you think this hasn't happed?

    Directv most likely said ok ,

    we'll put Pac 12 in the sports pack and Choice Premium which would keep Directvs cost down

    And Pac 12 said no way!

    What do you guys think?
     
  16. Aug 21, 2013 #776 of 2972
    Sandra

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    This makes a lot of sense.


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  17. Aug 21, 2013 #777 of 2972
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    If you know Charlie, It makes plenty of sense.

    He gets himself backed into a corner, then its reach and grab what ever is close.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2013 #778 of 2972
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    This is the truest statement of all. We are all guessing. Reading tea leaves.

    It just bothers me that the PAC 12 never says anything substantive. Not that DirecTV has said a lot but they have steadfastly said the price was too high. Either a lower per sub price or allow them to sell it to those who want it. I am not sure if that means as a "premium" or placement in the Sports Pack or whatever. Since rumors say that the PAC 12 wants BTN treatment, it tells me that it is more likely than not that the PAC 12 wants 80 cents (or whatever) in region, whether that region is everything west of the Rockies or local markets for the teams and somewhat less across the nation but wants in a fairly lower tier. Dish has both BTN and PAC 12 as Sports Pack outside the PAC 12 territory. My reading of the tea leaves says that DirecTV would be closer to working with that.

    I take it back. We got from the PAC 12 that they offered everyone the same deal. That can only be true as far as per sub numbers within a region. We KNOW that Dish's deal is different than Comcast's just because of the carriage and also because of the signage deal Dish has. So, the only solid thing the PAC 12 has said is wrong (probably because they don't understand what they are saying; not so much that they are outright lying). But I should trust their take on things.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2013 #779 of 2972
    Sandra

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    Then I'm glad I don't know him. :eek:


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  20. Aug 21, 2013 #780 of 2972
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    The Pac-12 Network will not be DirecTV. Those bridges are burned and gone, especially considering how the landscaping is constantly evolving.

    If they're unwilling to take the same in-market @ 80 cents deal as Dish, caving now would make them look foolish in my opinion.
     

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