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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Jul 3, 2013 #61 of 2972
    WebTraveler

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    But here is the deal - its not all about football. Regardless the channel is great for recruiting, great for exposure great for getting all the other spots on TV. Its already a success....it could be more of more providers were on board.....

    Think of it this way, how many college baseball games are broadcast to the nation? If you are a kid in the midwest getting a scholarship to NCAA champ UCLA that would be awesome that your friends, parents, and others will have the ability to watch you play. It can absolutely help with recruiting and the like.
     
  2. Jul 3, 2013 #62 of 2972
    Laxguy

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    Thanks for your explanations. I hope you're wrong in your conclusion, but can't disagree with your reasoning.
     
  3. Jul 3, 2013 #63 of 2972
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    If you want to judge taste, that's your prerogative; every man's junk is another man's treasure. And, what goes up, must come down (and visa-versa). No conference stays up or down for long if history is any lesson, less we all forget.

    Frankly, whether DirecTV thinks this market is important or not (sans NFL Sunday Ticket in two years) is for them to estimate and for all of us to look back and ponder.
     
  4. Jul 4, 2013 #64 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    Yes, that will be true of all of the conference channels. But among the remainder of the fans, the SEC is bigger than the PAC 12 and the Big Ten. At least for football. And football still drives the market.

    Personally, I'd love to see them all on. But money and business is driving the truck.
     
  5. Jul 4, 2013 #65 of 2972
    Bambler

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    That's subjective as well. What do you mean by "bigger."

    More money? More national championships? Please explain?
     
  6. Jul 4, 2013 #66 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    Bigger in terms of national interest.
     
  7. Jul 4, 2013 #67 of 2972
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    And you know this as a fact?
     
  8. Jul 4, 2013 #68 of 2972
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    Unfortunately the P12N has not done for baseball what it has done for volleyball and basketball and there are way less games on TV than the other big conferences even though those conferences don't have their own network. There were around 30 baseball games on the Pac 12 network last season. Somestimes only 1 game on a whole weekend. The SEC and ACC had way more of their baseball games televised, not only regionally, but nationally on ESPNU. Hopefully that will change - I believe P12N went over budget in the first half, so the televised spring sports schedule was lightened a bit.

    The SEC and ACC both had a game of the week on ESPNU after the college basketball season ended. They also had several games on Fox Sports Net and Comcast Sports. I saw more SEC and ACC games on our local Fox Sports Net affiliate, Prime Ticket than the Pac 12, Big West and West Coast Conferences combined.

    LSU sells out a 11k stadium for baseball. If you watched the College World Series, Omaha was dominated by Mississippi State fans. Pac-12 schools do not seem to draw that well in baseball at the stadium, and perhaps on TV as well. I think part of it is most of these schools are competing against pro teams (and not just baseball) for eyeballs, not to mention the beach and what not. Not so much in Louisana or Mississippi.


    Don't get me wrong - the P12N is great for the local area, despite DirecTV, and I really hope UVerse picks up the channel.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2013 #69 of 2972
    tjguitar

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    I just don't see how Sunday Ticket is relevant to the casual sports fan at this point. Red Zone is widely available and there's a ton of games already on CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN and NFL Network. Unless you are a fan of a specific team I just don't see it.


    By the way, I feel the same way about MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass and NHL Center Ice. Between ESPN, TBS, FOX, WGN, MLB Network and your local RSN's, there's a ton of baseball games. Between ESPN,TNT,NBA TV, ABC and your RSN's, there's a ton of basketball games. Between NBC, NBCSN, NHL Network and your local RSN's, there's a ton of hockey games.


    Obviously there is a market or they wouldn't offer the packages (and I'm sure they are still widely sold in sports bars), but at the residential level, outside of transplants, I just don't need those packages anymore, but if I moved to another part of the country, I might have a different opinion. It also probably helps that I have 2 teams each of NBA, MLB and NHL in my market.
     
  10. Jul 4, 2013 #70 of 2972
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    Yes. From 2011 season (reported in February 2012):

    "According to Nielsen, the SEC was far and away the most watched conference in college football last fall. The league averaged a shade under 4.5 million viewers per telecast. That figure was about 1.2 million more than the next-highest conference, the Big Ten with almost 3.3 million per telecast. Believe it or not, the third-highest conference was the ACC with 2.65 million viewers per telecast. The Big 12 was fourth with 2.3 million per telecast, the Pac-12 was fifth with 2.1 million per telecast, and the Big East was sixth with 1.9 million per telecast."

    Nasty facts get in the way sometimes.
     
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    Not totally true. Nearly every single Oregon State Pac 12 baseball game was available by webstream through the Pac 12 Network, whether it was home or away (conference games). Several were on live TV as well. I can't say the same about every Pac 12 team because I didn't look, but I do know when Oregon State was playing the other teams in the away Pac 12 stadiums we got most of the games. The Pac 12 Network says that this being the first year they were not completely set up this year to broadcast them all. Going forward they've maintained that will change. But they were available on the webstream, which was not perfect, but it was better than the option I had before!

    All Pac 12 basketball games were televised, whether it was on ESPN channels, Fox channels, or the Pac 12 Network, so I don't understand the comment there were more ACC and SEC games on TV. There were a few away games out of conference that didn't make it to the TV because it was owned by the other conference.

    Again, the channels are successful and will continue to grow. This was the 1st year and in this 1st year Pac 12 did show more sports than the Big 10 showed in its first year. I expect in the years to come it will get better. Now just because everyone does not have access does not make it a failure. Really, they do not care about us and whether I can or cannot see it. Its bringing in cash and more exposure than before to most sports, Yes, in the past nearly every football game was televised somewhere and you could pick up sports pack to get it. Now you can't....but Pac 12 is making more money off it.
     
  12. Jul 4, 2013 #72 of 2972
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    Ratings wise right now the SEC is getting more nationwide ratings, no doubt.
     
  13. Jul 4, 2013 #73 of 2972
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    I just don't see how Sunday Ticket is relevant to the casual sports fan at this point. Red Zone is widely available and there's a ton of games already on CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN and NFL Network. Unless you are a fan of a specific team I just don't see it.


    By the way, I feel the same way about MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass and NHL Center Ice. Between ESPN, TBS, FOX, WGN, MLB Network and your local RSN's, there's a ton of baseball games. Between ESPN,TNT,NBA TV, ABC and your RSN's, there's a ton of basketball games. Between NBC, NBCSN, NHL Network and your local RSN's, there's a ton of hockey games.


    Obviously there is a market or they wouldn't offer the packages (and I'm sure they are still widely sold in sports bars), but at the residential level, outside of transplants, I just don't need those packages anymore, but if I moved to another part of the country, I might have a different opinion. It also probably helps that I have 2 teams each of NBA, MLB and NHL in my market.

    As a displaced Detroit sports fan in Florida, I can tell you these packages are important to me. I've had Center Ice since '98 and had ST the last two seasons. These out of market packages definitely fill a need.
     
  14. Jul 4, 2013 #74 of 2972
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    Ownage ! on the Ratings.

    That said ,I hope to see DirecTV work out a deal to show Primary feed of the PAC 12 network.
     
  15. Jul 4, 2013 #75 of 2972
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    I was referring to TV games only, not web streams.

    I was referring to baseball.
     
  16. Jul 4, 2013 #76 of 2972
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    Definitely, I believe they have most value for a transplant just because of the amont of games televised elsewhere. If not a transplant, then for some reason one is a fan of a specific out of market team.

    I was just saying that I don't see why people would keep DirecTV over another provider specifically because of NFL Sunday Ticket when considering whether they want to switch for the Pac-12 Network. Here in Southern California, one could switch to Dish Network, but then they would not have Time Warner Cable Sports Net, which in addition to Lakers, airs a lot of Mountain West football and Mtn West and WCC basketball. One could switch to Time Warner Cable, but then they don't have Big Ten Network. TWCSN in particular is a bigger reason to me than NFLST.
     
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    At least. Me too. I want the channel(s). I just understand why we don't have them.
     
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    And it will continue. Not only is the SEC seen as king of football by the average fan, the sport means more in the south than any other part of the country.

    The PAC 12 and Big Ten have more balance in their sports in terms of interest but football still drives the market. Look at all the big conference realignment. Other sports, including basketball, were an afterthought.

    The PAC 12 needs to show a more desirable product than the ratings show to force the issue on their terms.

    I don't see directv or almost anyone else denying the SEC next year.
     
  19. Jul 4, 2013 #79 of 2972
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    P12N needs to secure some top football games in order to get the distribution it seeks. Games like Stanford-Oregon and Notre Dame-USC. But it won't because FOX/ESPN is paying billions of dollars.

    BTN lucked out in that Michigan was upset very early on it's network. Had that not happened, who knows if it would have picked up as much distribution as it did.
     
  20. Jul 4, 2013 #80 of 2972
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    And the debate goes on and on and on..... I can see why both sides don't come to an agreement besides price and channel placement, Until football season starts this is all just speculation.


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