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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 22, 2013 #801 of 2973
    WebTraveler

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    Balance sheet and cash on hand has little to do with revenue streams. It's all about finding the right mix because each one of these providers is one quarter away from a big loss if enough people leave at once.

    Here is one point that keeps getting left aside - w/o Pac 12, Directv is not .80 cheaper. In fact, you pay MORE for Directv than with Dish when you put them head to head. Sure they each have something the other doesn't or each is a little bit better or worse in some area. Why is Directv MORE? Maybe because they can? Maybe because of Sunday Ticket costs? Maybe because of what!?
     
  2. Aug 22, 2013 #802 of 2973
    pdxBeav

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    The price is set by what the market will bear. It has very little to do with the cost of producing the product.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2013 #803 of 2973
    kick4fun

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    maybe after he hands another loss the Harbaugh's 49ers???
     
  4. Aug 22, 2013 #804 of 2973
    Laxguy

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    Now you've gone off the deep end...... :bang


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  5. Aug 22, 2013 #805 of 2973
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    Or perhaps after the next 'What's Your Deal?' moment :biggrin:


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  6. Aug 22, 2013 #806 of 2973
    tonyd79

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    Wow. Are we off topic. My take on Carroll is that he wants to be an NFL coach. He ran to college after he failed in the NFL then ran his college team like it was an NFL team. He ain't a college town type of guy.
     
  7. Aug 22, 2013 #807 of 2973
    Sandra

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    I think the unfounded speculation between DirecTV and Pac-12 has run it's course.

    And I disagree about Carroll. He seems to run his NFL teams like college teams! I predict he's back in college in five years max.

    Chip Kelly is an interesting case. I think he's 50/50 to return to college. What he's doing in Philly is fascinating to watch.


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  8. Aug 22, 2013 #808 of 2973
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    The price is set by the market of consumers vs. providers and then providers vs. programmers. The middle need to be sufficient for the provider to make a profit and a distribution to its shareholders. If not investors walk and then things go downhill. Providers must offer the selections the consumer wants to watch. It's all a delicate mix. But in the end is your bill any less? Nope. If you have Sunday Ticket then OK, that's what you want. Otherwise think you are getting ripped off.
     
  9. Aug 22, 2013 #809 of 2973
    kick4fun

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    I think the unfounded speculation between DirecTV and Pac-12 has run it's course.

    And I disagree about Carroll. He seems to run his NFL teams like college teams! I predict he's back in college in five years max.

    Chip Kelly is an interesting case. I think he's 50/50 to return to college. What he's doing in Philly is fascinating to watch.


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    did I miss something. The Seahawks are playing great. Wow.. And what a mind to hand pick Russell Wilson.

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  10. Aug 22, 2013 #810 of 2973
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    When DirecTV finally does get all the Pac12 channels, they should be in the guide in the following order, 612P12N, 612-1P12AZ, 612-2P12BA, 612-3P12LA, 612-4P12MT, 612-5P12OR, 612-6P12WA
     
  11. Aug 22, 2013 #811 of 2973
    Laxguy

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    REally!?? Awfully long ch. numbers. Left a few out. Some might object to the order. Which school is "the Dean" of the PAC-12?
     
  12. Aug 22, 2013 #812 of 2973
    JoeTheDragon

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    612 main 612-X alt feeds
     
  13. Aug 23, 2013 #813 of 2973
    pdxBeav

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    I wouldn't expect my bill to be any less. These companies are not charities. They will maximize profits by all means necessary. I agree it's a delicate mix, but that doesn't change the fact that the market sets the price. The cost to make a pair of Nike shoes has zero to do with how much they cost to the consumer. I was just pointing out the fallacy of the idea that the cost of a certain package should be reduced by X amount because channel Z has been removed. We might be saying the same thing.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2013 #814 of 2973
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    I listed the alt's in alphabetical order per the pac12 web site, The labels might not fit in the guide, but just wanted to try to identify each separte feed.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #815 of 2973
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    Programmers and providers (distributors) both want to maximize their income. That is why they exist. "What the market will bare" has a different meaning to each. For the distributor, what the market will bare is the price point at which they start to lose viewers. For the programmer, what the market will bare is the price point at which they cannot get distributors to pick up their product.

    Where the PAC 12 has a problem is that they believe (and apparently have built in to the existing contracts) that what the market will bare is the same for all distributors regardless of the distribution model or the composition of the customers of the distributor. DirecTV, which has more customers than any other single distributor, has determined a price that will fit their business model. They realize that they will lose some customers if they do not pick up the PAC 12, but they also realize that if they pay more than a certain price they will not add enough new customers to offset the payout for the channels without raising their price to the customers. If they raise their price to the customer, they will lose some customers. What the market will bare is much less for DirecTV than it is for a cable company that is serving a few counties that has a PAC 12 school in their footprint.

    None of us knows exactly what the PAC 12 has demanded from DirecTV, and none of us knows exctly what DirecTV has offered to the PAC 12. Assuming that the PAC 12 has backed down from their original position that all 7 channels be carried full time and will allow DirecTV to carry only the national channel full time with game-time alternates for overlaping games, my guess is that the $0.80 in-market and $0.20 out-of-market is reasonable, but the difference is how "in-market" and "out-of-market" are defined. Again, this is just a guess on my part, but I suspect that DirecTV and the PAC 12 are at an impass on how large the "in-market" footprint is for each PAC 12 school and that DirecTV only wants to count the subscribers to the sports pack for the out-of-market count while the PAC 12 wants to count everyone with the Choice package. I think this will be settled eventually, but not before the 2014 season and not until after DirecTV has come to an agreement with the SEC.

    On the other hand, if the PAC 12 still expects DirecTV to carry all seven channels full time, that will never happen.
     
  16. Aug 23, 2013 #816 of 2973
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    Is there a market going "bare" I don't know about? CNBC should be interesting!


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  17. Aug 23, 2013 #817 of 2973
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    I think as other's have said, unfortunately this season has come and gone I doubt we see an agreement worked out unless it's some last minute type deal that surprises us all (like Dish last year). But moving forward something should/hopefully will be worked out. With the SEC channel coming, the ESPN contract up in the next few years, plus B1G up for renewal in the next few years too things will start to become clearer. The market has somewhat been set by Pac12 as to what other Conference specific channels can charge. If DirecTV does walk from Sunday Ticket the entire market may go into flux, as people scramble to figure out what they are doing next. Sunday Ticket is the carrot that keeps sports fans from switching around too easily, but things could be changing..
     
  18. Aug 23, 2013 #818 of 2973
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    If becomes available without a TV subscription you would see another round of cord cutting. EIther way if Directv loses the package or even starts sharing it you will see people leave.
     
  19. Aug 28, 2013 #819 of 2973
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    Here it is 24 hours before the first football telecast and Jim Jones of the PAC 12 Net responded to my question as to whether D* and the PAC 12 Net are in talks: "NO they are not talking to each other and in fact they are taking every opportunity to (disparage) each other in the media We are still talking to UVERSE and Verizon and Charter among others."
    How sad that each party hasn't tried to reach a settlement.
     
  20. Aug 28, 2013 #820 of 2973
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    Will the PAC 12 channel have more than one channel like the Big 10


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