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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Oct 9, 2013 #1061 of 2972
    BlackDynamite

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    I know all about the unsure matter of star ratings. But those 10 guys would NOT see the game field unless the game is a blowout. USC is getting the players they want. Period. There are some affects some practice but you don't go from a MNC type team to the complete washout USC is based upon the last 10 scholarships on your roster. You can do that if your coach stinks. Other teams have survived much the same fate as USC. Heck, Auburn under Terry Bowden actually got BETTER under sanctions.

    I used stars only to show that they have not really dropped off. Prior to the sanctions, USC had too many players to play. Period. And they are still loaded and will still put a bunch of players in the NFL. But they can't beat their PAC 12 brethren that don't put as many players in the NFL and lose by 50+ points because of bench players not being there? No way.

    So you think they'll have a huge improvement the rest of the season?
     
  2. Oct 9, 2013 #1062 of 2972
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    First off, everyone will not be paying 80 cents, only those who live in the West.

    Most channels D* carries are locked into long-term agreements that become very visible when they are up for renewal. I haven't seen any notices of carriage agreements up for renewal since the Versus fiasco a couple of years ago.

    I can only go by circumstantial evidence, but D* sure appeared to dig in after the deal was signed with Dish. They started to run ads, posting blogs, and staged Q&As on its website about how the PAC 12 were mean ogres and they only will agree to carry the channel on a pay-for-view basis. The fact that the CSRs are still, clueless about any agreement shows me that D* really doesn't care anymore about carrying the channel unless the PAC 12 gives them the channel at a rate far less than what ALL the other carriers (except Verizon) are paying.

    Based on the lay of the land, we will see a much bigger outcry if D* tries to pull this same stunt when it comes to carrying the SEC channel as that conference has far more dedicated football fans who are passionate about their football. Not to say PAC 12 fans aren't passionate, but in the SEC footprint, college football is king and there are only two sports: football and spring football.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2013 #1063 of 2972
    tonyd79

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    They might. They might not. They didn't bring a coach in from outside. Don't know enough of the staff dynamics.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2013 #1064 of 2972
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    Let me be clear, I know Kiffin sucks. I don't want you to think I'm sticking up for him.

    I do want to say though, he was dealt a pretty bad hand. Not very many coaches could take over and do a great job with a PAC 12 team that had a ban from bowl games and was stripped of 10 scholarships per year. The fact that he was still able to recruit top level talent under the circumstances is pretty good. A big part of a head coach's job is recruiting.

    They won't get any better this year. I'm calling it right now.

    They'll probably hire a really good coach after the season, provided they can get one willing to step into the stripped scholarships situation and knowing he'll be fired like Kiffin was if he doesn't have great success with limited depth.

    And they might slightly improve next season if the coach is really good. But I'm calling it right now, they won't have great success, like Stanford or Oregon this season level of success, until after those stripped scholarships are returned.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2013 #1065 of 2972
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    I think they'll hire some mid level coach for a year, then bring Chip Kelly back to college for his dream job. They should've suffered through Kiffin 1 extra year so Kelly could wait out his ridiculous 18-month show-cause penalty. Those Oregon sanctions were a joke. As SI.com said ...
     
  6. Oct 9, 2013 #1066 of 2972
    BlackDynamite

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    I think they'll hire some mid level coach for a year, then bring Chip Kelly back to college for his dream job. They should've suffered through Kiffin 1 extra year so Kelly could wait out his ridiculous 18-month show-cause penalty. Those Oregon sanctions were a joke. As SI.com said ...

    No way. He's not leaving an NFL head coaching job to go back to college. The only way USC gets him is if he sucks in the NFL and gets fired.

    I think they'll make a run at Peterson from Boise State and Sarkisian from Washington.
     
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  8. Oct 9, 2013 #1068 of 2972
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    We might see a bigger outcry, but the SEC network will have the same limitations as BTN and the Pac 12 network does - it is a third tier network that takes only those games that CBS and ESPN don't want. So you won't miss Alabama/TA&M, you'll miss say Kentucky/Florida. Not that there aren't people that don't want to see that game, but pain of not having the channel will be mainly felt by fans of the lesser teams, as Alabama won't be on the SEC network except when they play some creampuff they're favored to beat by 50.

    If Directv really does want to extricate BTN from a basic tier, they can't give the SEC network that deal. The SEC may be better in football, but the B1G has more fans because the schools are much larger and thus there are many more B1G alumni than SEC alumni. There was an article in the NYT not long ago discussing the reason why the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers, where a marketing firm did surveys and showed the size of the fan base for each team in the power conferences, as well as the overall size of the fan base. The B1G was ahead by quite a bit, because some of the schools are so big. The SEC being better at winning football games than the B1G for the past decade doesn't affect B1G fan support - it isn't like pro sports where many people who live in areas without a local team are bandwagon jumpers who change teams regularly.

    Of course, the SEC may not try to get the same deal as BTN. Because their fans are so passionate about football, maybe rather than trying to charge 80 cents for every subscriber in the south, they charge $5 for only those who want the channel, and they may well end up making more money that way.
     
  9. Sandra

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    And you base this on what? Intimate knowledge of Chip Kelly? Or just your opinion?


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    Most everything here is one's own opinion!
     
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    Maybe D* should think about a "college" package separate from the SportsPak. Put the PAC 12 Net, B1G, SEC, & Longhorn Nets in it and sell it separately. I'd pay $5 for that.
     
  12. Sandra

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    The nature of his post made it sound like he may have some inside intel to share with us.


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  13. BlackDynamite

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    History. Successful NFL coaches never quit their job and go back to coaching college.

    You probably can't be a successful college coach unless you're a very competitive person. If you're really competitive, you probably want to compete at the highest level.

    Then there's the money, which will always be greater in the NFL.

    College coaches often fail in the NFL so it is possible that he sucks and gets fired, which opens up the possibility that he goes back to coaching college. So far, he's been fairly successful, so I would not count on that.
     
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    A complete college pack would still need to include the RSNs (and college sports is about the only thing usefull about the out-of-market RSNs), so there is not very much to separate a "college" package from the existing sports pack. A package that includes just the PAC 12, B1G, SEC, and Longhorn, if it was possible to get the carriage agreements for such a package, would be more than $5.
     
  15. Sandra

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    Well first of all we don't really know yet if Chip Kelly will be a successful NFL coach. Will be years before we know. Some of his Eagles offensive schemes look innovative, but he's finding out that this isn't Oregon, where having the fastest athletes on the field makes any scheme look good.

    And history also gives us these names:

    Nick Saban
    Bobby Petrino
    Steve Spurrier
    Dennis Erickson
    Mike Riley

    ...and probably some older ones I forgot or don't know about. Great college coaches who flamed out in the NFL because they either weren't good enough, or simply missed the college coaching environment and didn't give the NFL enough time to see if they would be successful or not. Money did not keep them in the NFL.

    Chip Kelly could easily fall into that category.


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    It's a great idea for customers and for directv. Hard sell on the Big Ten, the PAC 12, the SEC.
     
  17. JoeTheDragon

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    Don't call it college but also put ESPN classic, NHL net, the soccer channels, in it as well, also maybe outer ring RSN's as well. And call it the mini sports pack that does not have all of the RSN it in.

    Also you may need to have the PAC 12 Net, B1G, SEC, & Longhorn Nets in basic in there areas.
     
  18. BlackDynamite

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    Yes, I said him returning to college probably depended on him sucking and getting fired in the NFL. Your list is pretty much entirely composed of guys who fall into that category.

    I doubt this happens to Kelly. He's been pretty successful so far, even though he hasn't had much time to build the team he wants.

    I any case, it's highly unlikely he'll be coaching USC after next season.
     
  19. Sandra

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    Actually, Saban, Petrino and Spurrier all quit the NFL and went back to college coaching by their own choice. None of them were fired.

    I wouldn't call being 2-3 'pretty successful so far' in the NFL. The Eagles are lucky to be in a putrid division, but that fan base does not take losing well....a 180 degrees difference from the reverence he received from the press and fans in Oregon, even after a loss. Things get ugly early in Philly.

    The only person who knows if Chip Kelly will fall into the Saban/Petrino/Spurrier category is Chip Kelly. Any other opinion is total conjecture without basis in actual fact..


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  20. BlackDynamite

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    Actually, Saban, Petrino and Spurrier all quit the NFL and went back to college coaching by their own choice. None of them were fired.

    I wouldn't call being 2-3 'pretty successful so far' in the NFL. The Eagles are lucky to be in a putrid division, but that fan base does not take losing well....a 180 degrees difference from the reverence he received from the press and fans in Oregon, even after a loss. Things get ugly early in Philly.

    The only person who knows if Chip Kelly will fall into the Saban/Petrino/Spurrier category is Chip Kelly. Any other opinion is total conjecture without basis in actual fact..


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    All opinions aren't created equal.

    All of those coaches sucked in the NFL. They may have quit before they got fired, but everyone knew they were going to be fired if they didn't leave on their own.

    Check their records. Not a single one of them had a winning record as an NFL head coach. They were all huge disappointments.

    Kelly may wind up the same, and I acknowledged that it happening to him too was pretty much the only way he'd ever coach USC.

    But let's face it, the odds of that happening are pretty slim. The Eagles have looked pretty good so far, aside from Michael Vick's injury. Certainly better than last season, when they finished dead last in their division and only won 4 games all year.
     

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