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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. chillyfl

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    I've flipping back and forth between the two, and that has been a good game too. I think Stanford/Utah are better teams, and a potential upset of a top 5 team is a bigger game than a potential upset of the #18 team.
     
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  2. James Long

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    We'll answer that if it happens. Until then, both DirecTV and PAC-12 are doing fine without each other.


    George Santayana in 1905.

    You make it sound like DirecTV adding PAC-12 at this point would be the worst thing possible. It would be much worse to refuse to make the appropriate decisions for the future based on past decisions - right or wrong. DirecTV needs to always be looking ahead.
     
  3. BlackDynamite

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    BTW, best game on TV right now is Stanford at Utah on P12N. This has been a physical punch you in the mouth (you know, the old SEC style) football game so far.

    Someone, not mentioning any names, thought this might happen.
     
  4. sigma1914

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    Good call. Surprised me.
     
  5. chillyfl

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    BTW, if Utah holds on to win I believe that will be the 6th upset of a ranked team on the P12N. I know DirecTV propaganda says there are never any good games on the P12N, but that isn't what I've observed.
     
  6. DawgLink

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    BTW, if Utah holds on to win I believe that will be the 6th upset of a ranked team on the P12N. I know DirecTV propaganda says there are never any good games on the P12N, but that isn't what I've observed.
    Did DirectTV actually say that? Honestly asking....just haven't seem them say that.


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  7. chillyfl

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    Remote control got a workout with Utah win coming almost at same time as Penn State win. Great day as a college football fan of good games to have P12N and not D*.

    Direct quote straight off of DirecTV's website on their PAC-12 network FAQ section: "All the best games remain available on ESPN or Fox Sports networks and other national carriers." Also, if you call them, DirecTV will say much the same thing about the good or meaningful PAC-12 games are all available to their customers. Last year one of their worst transgression was misrepresenting the percentage of games on the P12N by double counting every game not on the P12N that involved two PAC-12 teams. For example, last year the DirecTV website actually said that of the 144 regular season PAC-12 games, the P12N only had 21 remaining games (14%). Problem was, there were only 90 total games, and 35 were on the P12N (39%). D* has led a fairly misleading campain to convince subs that they aren't missing anything without the P12N.
     
  8. Gloria_Chavez

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    I was actually thinking about making plans for Pasadena on January 6th.

    Prices for the Oregon game went from 500 to 150. From the Game of the Year to to just another game.

    So disappointed.
     
  9. Bambler

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    So you're saying there shouldn't be any hindsight? If DirecTV is looking ahead, why couldn't they see it earlier? All of sudden next year they deem it valuable enough to carry it? That's poor planning in my book. Not only that, but it greatly undermines their negotiating position and pretty much torpedoes their "promise."
     
  10. James Long

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    You're worrying too much. Both companies are happy where they are. Further updates as events warrant.
     
  11. sdk009

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    Thanks for nothing D* Missed the biggest upset so far this season. By the way to all the PAC 12 naysayers, this proves that this conference has more quality teams than any other, bar none.
    I'd be long gone I weren't 6 months in to a 24 month commitment.
    Going to miss another three games on 10/19, D* you're run by geniuses.
     
  12. sigma1914

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    LOL... Really? The SEC has 8 teams in today's newest AP poll. ACC and Big 12 have 4 just like the P12.

    The record for most teams from one conference in a regular-season poll had been seven. The ACC and Big Ten have also reached seven ranked teams in season. The P12/formerly 10, has not.
     
  13. BlackDynamite

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    LOL... Really? The SEC has 8 teams in today's newest AP poll. ACC and Big 12 have 4 just like the P12.

    The record for most teams from one conference in a regular-season poll had been seven. The ACC and Big Ten have also reached seven ranked teams in season. The P12/formerly 10, has not.

    Utah, Oregon State, and Arizona State all deserve to be ranked.
     
  14. chillyfl

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    To an extent I agree that the talk about the PAC-12 surpassing the SEC was premature. But one of the frustrations on the west coast is the seeming double standard by voters. When an upset occurs in the SEC, the thought process is that the under-dog was far better than people originally thought and gets bumped up. When the same thing happens in the PAC-12, the favorite wasn't as good as people thought, and gets bumped down. Take a look at this composite of, primarily, computer rankings (http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm). As of Sunday afternoon, 7 PAC-12 teams were in the top-25 average of (at the time) 48 different rankings. The beauty of a computer ranking is it doesn't care what is on the side of a team's helmet or the conference they are in, just who they've beat. 5 PAC-12 teams are held in much higher regard by the computers than the human voters, with only UCLA and Oregon being consistent. This is typical almost every year.

    Utah beating Stanford does show the depth of the PAC-12. The trons get it, and moved Utah into their top 25. According to the computers, 50% of the PAC-12 are top 25 teams, just like the SEC. Unfortunately, human voters are not nearly as unbiased.
     
  15. tonyd79

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    That's not just a west coast frustration.

    Btw, Massey is not a great yardstick. Sagarin has a better track record despite masseys supposed call of Utah over Alabama. Sagarin has the PAC 12 currently second behind the sec.
     
  16. chillyfl

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    Good point on not just a west coast frustration.

    BTW, I wasn't directly referencing Massey, but the composite of dozens of computer rankings that Massey hosts on his website. The reality is there are better rankings than both Sagarin and Massey, at least as far as predictive capability. Take a look here (http://www.thepredictiontracker.com/ncaaresults.php?orderby=mse&type=1&year=13) for a website that tracks the predictive accuracy of ranking systems.
     
  17. fleckrj

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    All it proves is that Stanford was over-rated.

    When is the last time the PAC 12 beat an SEC team in a BCS game? Here is a hint, the only time a SEC team lost the BCS championship game was in 2012 when LSU was beaten by Alabama. Since both were SEC teams, one of them had to lose. As a result of the loss of an SEC team to another SEC team, the SEC is 9 and 1. The PAC 12 is 1 and 2, and the one win was later vacated.
     
  18. BlackDynamite

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    All it proves is that Stanford was over-rated.

    When is the last time the PAC 12 beat an SEC team in a BCS game? Here is a hint, the only time a SEC team lost the BCS championship game was in 2012 when LSU was beaten by Alabama. Since both were SEC teams, one of them had to lose. As a result of the loss of an SEC team to another SEC team, the SEC is 9 and 1. The PAC 12 is 1 and 2, and the one win was later vacated.
    Because the system is flawed. They put an SEC team in no matter what. If the PAC 12 had an automatic championship game bid like the SEC, they'd win more often.

    Oregon, and probably Stanford, could have won it last year. Instead we got the Notre Dame/Alabama snoozer.
     
  19. sdk009

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    Did you even read what I wrote? I'm talking about the whole conference, not just the top two teams.
    Only Cal & Colorado are having down years. The Conference has 10 quality teams while the SEC maybe has six.

    Anyway, it's on to Week 8 and here's what we're missing this week thanks to the geniuses at D*:

    Charleston Southern @ Colorado 2 p (ET), 11a (PT)
    Washington @ ASU 6p (ET), 3p (PT)
    Utah @ Arizona 10p (ET), 7p (PT)
     
  20. Laxguy

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    None of those games were missed by me, and apparently a whole lot of others. After about four good college games, my appetite decreases markedly, and then all of a sudden it's Sunday.

    It was a business decision by DIRECTV®, and has nothing to do with IQs.
     

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