Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

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  1. sigma1914

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    :rotfl: One bad game and the conference plays bad? LSU has a bunch of true freshman; that's why they were looking bad on offense. Ole Miss also has the nations best defense only allowing 10.5 points per game.
     
  2. sigma1914

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    So in your utopian college football world, a 1 loss SEC team who might lose the 1 game in the conference championship doesn't deserve a spot in the 4 team playoffs? That's very plausible with Mississippi St this year.
     
  3. slice1900

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    How exactly do you establish that, when there are so few cross division games? Who did the SEC play from the power 5 conferences in true away games? Kansas State? Most SEC non conference games are against powder puff teams, and if they do play a power 5 conference they usually insist on a neutral site game. Now that's not just the SEC, their non conference schedule isn't really any worse than the other power 5 conferences though some of them are more willing to play a home/home instead of chickening out with a neutral site.

    I was really hoping the playoff committee would severely punish teams for a weak non conference schedule (I think that's why Auburn got the nod over Alabama since they went to KSU and beat them) and not give the SEC a pass because of their "tough schedule" playing other SEC teams. If you start out the season with the assumption the SEC teams are the best, then automatically SEC teams have the toughest schedules regardless of their non conference games. If you started out the season assuming the Pac 12 was the best conference, we might see Arizona and Arizona State in the top 4 - both were teams off the radar when the season started, but MSU/Ole Miss made huge jumps simply because they beat SEC teams that were assumed at the start of the season to be stronger than Pac 12 teams.

    Fans want to see more non conference games between the power 5. In an ideal world, every conference would play an 8 game schedule, and the other four games they'd play a team from another power 5 conference (home and home only, no neutral site games) Then there wouldn't need to be any assumptions about which conference has the strongest teams to start the season, the strongest conference would emerge by winning most of those games. Maybe that would be the SEC, but if it is no one would have any complaints about seeing more than one SEC team in the playoff if they'd dominated in the non conference power 5 matchups. Who wouldn't want to see an Oregon/LSU home/home - Autzen and Death Valley! Or Ole Miss at Notre Dame, or FSU at Michigan State?
     
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  4. slice1900

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    If three SEC teams end up in the playoff it'll be a self fulfilling prophecy. One of them is likely to win (especially if FSU is the 4th, since they don't look anywhere near the team they were last season) so since SEC won they must be the best conference.

    I wouldn't be totally opposed to two teams from the same conference if one was undefeated and the other had only one loss which was to the team that was undefeated, and two conferences had champions that were clearly a peg down (i.e. with two or more losses) but if there's three SEC teams in the playoff I don't think many non-SEC fans will consider the playoff committee to be legitimate, and be itching for the return of the BCS!
     
  5. sigma1914

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    slice, they're phasing out the weak non conference games but it takes time with logistics and contracts already in place. It'll get better.
     
  6. sigma1914

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    3 SEC teams will be damn near impossible because everyone at the top will basically be knocking each other out in the next few weeks. I'm guessing FSU will definitely be in barring a major choke. Teams like TCU who have a few big top 25 wins and Notre Dame will be the ones to keep only 2 SEC teams in tops.

    My 4 I'm guessing will be Miss St, FSU, TCU and Oregon.
    Who I want is another story lol..... Notre Damn, FSU, Arizona, TCU
     
  7. nitty316

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    Saying they play some bad football does not equate to bad conference. I just don't buy into the idea that college football is only played in the SEC.
     
  8. BlackDynamite

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    I have to agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't be in the playoff if you don't win your conference.

    If Alabama loses in the SEC championship game, they should not get a second chance in the playoffs. Just like if Arizona wins the Pac 12, Oregon should not get a rematch with them in the playoffs.

    There are only 4 playoff spots and 5 conferences. So somebody is already going to get left out. Expand it to 6 teams with all the conference champs plus 1 at large if you want 2 teams from the same conference.
     
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    Did they legalize marijuana in California?

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  10. inkahauts

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    Yes. And to bad. You have to not only win, but you have to win the right games. So if you lose a championship game in the league, a win or go home game, then we know you aren't as good as the other team. So the winner should get to play other teams that you don't know who is better, because until they play each other, you don't really know. The loser had their chance and didn't take advantage of it. Why should they get a second chance when other teams can't even get a first chance that where the best in their conference as well?

    In the playoffs, it's not just winning, its winning at the right time. And a championship game for a league is a first playoff game,


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  11. inkahauts

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    One point. You know for sure a conference champion is the best in the conference that year, because they won the most games and the right games if there's a conference championship game.

    You do NOT know that a different conference has a better or a worse team because they have NOT played against the other team, and you have to win at the right time in the playoffs. So the ones that didn't win their conference had their chance and didn't take advantage of it.

    By your suggestion, they should get rid of all wild card teams in all the major pro sports. That would have caused multiple different winners in every major sports league over the years.

    Back before we had interleague play in baseball, they could have chosen the top four teams for the playoffs by committee and if they where all al and no nl then there would have been no nl team in the World Series because someone else decided it arbitrarily, rather than making them all actually play each other.

    That's what drives me the most crazy, it's the idea that people in sports forget that just because you know who should win doesn't mean you do. Yet college football lives right now on that entire concept which isn't excepted in any other sport anywhere...




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  12. inkahauts

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    Nope. The bottom third of the sec wouldn't even beat Utah this year.

    And I can easily say that just as anyone can say the opposite. Which is why the playoffs need to have as many conferences involved as possible and not multiple teams form the same conference.

    It's stupid we don't have an eight team playoff system in place. They copped out when they went with four teams.

    Actually after double checking, It's probably closer to the bottom half of the sec that couldn't beat Utah.


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  13. slice1900

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    Exactly, teams in playoff contention need to think of the conference championship game as the first round of the playoffs, and not whine if they lose and expect a free pass. With a four team playoff one conference has to be left out. If you try to put two teams from one conference in, one of whom couldn't even win their conference championship game (or worse, couldn't even win their division!) then there better be two conference champions that are inarguably a step down based on their record, not based on biases about "SEC is the best, they should have 2/3 teams".

    Until there's better cross conference games to truly determine which conference is best each season, the assumptions made at the start of the season drives things too much. For instance, why did Georgia start the season ranked 10 spots ahead of Nebraska when Georgia lost to them in the Gator Bowl?
     
  14. tonyd79

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    If you don't win your conference, you aren't in. Period. Since we have fewer playoff teams than conferences, you are already ranking conferences. Wildcards in other sports are because you open up the number of teams beyond the number of division champs. Go to 8 or more and you get wild cards, not with 4.
     
  15. jagrim

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    Don't forget about the other 16 conference champions. Their undefeated or once beaten teams ( undefeated in conference) also deserve consideration.

    Conference championships are only one part of the equation. I don't have any problem with having 2 teams from any one conference in the playoffs. I'll not going into speculating who will or won't make the playoffs until after the season is over. There is too much good football left to play.
     
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    You must not have watched the same game as the rest of us. LSU's strength is running the ball and they did that quite well.
     
  17. slice1900

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    They probably don't. The resources of the big 5 conferences dwarf the rest. It looks like they're going to go to a sort of self-rule and be able to provide the players living expenses, and that will pretty much cause a split of the big 5 and rest of Division I-A. Maybe Boise State and BYU can join the Big 12 if they want to commit that kind of money, but more likely they'll be satisfied to be the big fish in the mid-major pond.

    Unless those teams play four big 5 conference teams in their non-conference schedule there's no way to evaluate how they truly compare. An undefeated Marshall may be really good, but when they play no one there's no way to know.
     
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    Good article but doesn't go far enough. Espn has been beating the sec drum for over a decade even when stats did not hold up its supposed status ( there was a five year period where the big ten actually beat the sec head to head but espn still touted the sec). That has a long term effect. If recruits keep hearing sec, sec, sec, they gravitate toward the sec.

    The bias is a bias toward the sec. God awful offensive games are called defensive gems in the sec but setbacks to football in other conferences.

    It got markedly worse when the big ten picked fox over espn for their network. Since then, every big ten story is about how bad the conference is. Pac 12 gets some of the same treatment. They went their own way. You don't hear a lot of big 12 touting in espn since the hooked up with fs1. The ACC is an espn conference as is the sec. Keep that in mind when you watch espn talking heads.
     
  20. fleckrj

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    Other than Florida State, I have not heard anyone say that the ACC is even close to the SEC in football. On the other hand, other than Kentucky and Florida, I have not heard anyone say that the SEC is even close to the ACC in basketball.
     
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