Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. joed32

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    So you can leave next month at 0 cost? You should be happy. If you really wanted to go you could leave now for $20.
     
  2. tnnolman

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    If directv does not add PAC 12 Network in 2 years. I will plan to add comcast TV service to get PAC 12 as well as Fusion also. That 2nd thing was just an off subject topic.
     
  3. Laxguy

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    I am very familiar with Pac-12, but doe Fusion have anything to do with FB?
     
  4. BlackDynamite

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    No, I can't leave for $0 or $20. That is not even close to being accurate.

    I have 6 HR24s and 1 HR34. For me to get a comparable setup with another provider it would probably run into the thousands of dollars.

    We need a national law that says all cable and satellite providers must use a standardized smart card for their service. If I knew that my existing equipment would work with every provider, I'd have left a long time ago.
     
  5. Laxguy

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    Really? Get our government to further stifle innovation?

    Do you not have any RVU TVs? That's as close to standardized as we'll get for some time.
     
  6. BlackDynamite

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    Yes, get the government to help the free market. They already did with the cable card standard, they just need to extend that to cover satellite providers as well.

    Opening up the market to everyone will absolutely not stifle innovation. When all the hardware manufacturers are able to make and sell their products directly to the public it will only push innovation further along.

    It would also help force providers like directv to offer a better product at a better price because it wouldn't cost guys like me thousands of dollars to leave. And all my recordings would stay on the same receiver, with the same season recordings set if I did leave.
     
  7. jagrim

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    Regulation from government is not going to get the Pac12 network on Directv. The Pac12 is just as responsible for the lack of carriage as is Directv. Hopefully both parties will agree to some type of carriage in the future.
     
  8. FLWingNut

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    The only government regulation I'd like to see is content providers should not be able to own the distribution channels as well. Looking at you Comcast/NBC...


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  9. BlackDynamite

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    The type of regulation I suggested probably wouldn't directly cause Directv to carry the Pac 12 Net, but it would make it much easier for people to leave when they wanted. It would also make it possible to have a receiver that can work with multiple providers. Imagine if you could sign up for cable and Directv, and have the same receivers and DVRs work for both providers. This thread probably wouldn't exist, whether Directv carried the Pac 12 Net or not.

    Yes, I agree, the content providers and distribution channels should be separate entities.
     
  10. KyL416

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    Back in the day you could get receivers made by 3rd parties with their own bells and whistles specific to that manufactuer, but look how that turned out. For DirecTV no pre-APG receivers work, only a select few that came out during the short APG/pre-D1x era still work for SD, although none of them support SWM. For HD once DirecTV switched to MPEG4 and KaKu they stopped working for HD. For Dish they're currently migrating several markets to the Eastern Arc which requires newer equipment that supports 8PSK and MPEG4.

    So say they do it now and universal set-tops hit the market. What's going to happen in the future if/when DirecTV and Dish gets new satellite slots, launch more birds, expand into new bands, or switches to a new codec? Sure you can issue firmware upgrades for some of those things, but what if the 3rd party manufacturer either can't support it because of a hardware limitation, doesn't want to issue an upgrade because the box you got now is considered obsolete by then, or the division that made the box was sold or shutdown.
     
  11. James Long

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    That rule worked so well for cable that it is being written out of the law at the end of the year.
     
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  12. BlackDynamite

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    Well then you'd need to get a new box, just like you have to get a new box today when the technology changes.
     
  13. BlackDynamite

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    Right. It was working so the cable companies used their political power to try to get it changed. Why would they want you to have options? They'd obviously prefer you to have to buy/rent your equipment from them.
     
  14. slice1900

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    RVU is a Directv-only "standard". Limiting your choices when buying TVs to include support for a protocol that only certain TV manufacturers offer on certain models and only one provider uses to serve video isn't a solution to his issue. Especially when he presumably already owns at least 7 TVs that he's using his Directv equipment on today.

    If RVU was also used by Tivo, or other providers like Dish or Comcast, it might be something worth looking for, but it will only ever be worth something to Directv subscribers.

    This might be a problem that solves itself over the next few years, as all TVs become "smart" and can run a RVU app, an app that provides the equivalent for Dish, another for Tivo, and whatever cable companies may choose to allow. But even then it will take at least a decade before a majority of the older TVs are replaced.
     
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  15. harsh

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    Now that DIRECTV has reduced their relationship with NDS to primarily smart cards, how is this a burden on DIRECTV? Given a sufficiently flexible system (DVB for example), it would probably be pretty trivial to replace the current smart card scheme with a unified one.

    I think what BlackDynamite is looking for is to not lose access to 7 DVRs worth of recordings. That would require a serious rework of DIRECTV business decisions in addition to adoption of a portability standard.

    It isn't as if local number portability, forced by the government, seriously put a hurt on telcos and with a little effort, simply requiring DVR programming portability could work (for the customer) as well. Of course it wouldn't bode well for the carriers but government intervention rarely does.
     
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  16. Laxguy

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    I am against the government dictating how devices need to be configured.
     
  17. fireponcoal

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    But all for DirecTV and DBStalk dictating everything else for you. I kid though..


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  18. inkahauts

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    This I don't get. DIRECTV had always been the most expensive provider upfront out of everyone imho. Unless you are saying TiVo. But you don't need TiVo to get cable DVRs. But their monthly fees are far higher for a system of your size. At least in my area.
     
  19. BlackDynamite

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    DVRs aren't free. For me to replace my current 7 DVR, 17 tuners setup on another provider it would cost a lot of money up front.

    Plus I'd lose all of my recordings and all the shows I have set to record would need to be setup again.

    It's not the simple and easy $0 or $20 fee another poster said. It's a big time hassle and probably over $1000 in up front costs.

    It's not like dropping AT&T and switching to T-Mobile, where all you need to do is take out the AT&T card and put in the T-Mobile card, and keep using your existing phone. It's not like that at all, but it could and should be.

    Imagine if you could have a 3rd party receiver that had a DVR and worked with multiple providers simultaneously. You could have cable service and Directv on the same receiver, recording to the same DVR. This thread probably wouldn't exist.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    What cable company do you have? Charter in my area charges no upfront fee. That's the only reason i ask. Never heard of up front fees
    from any cable company. They charge a boat load monthly pre receiver though...

    FIOS and two six tuner DVRs are probably the closet anyone is to DIRECTV pricing structure for 12 tuners. Not sure about beyond that though.
     

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