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Padres/Fox Sports closing in on deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Rob, May 31, 2011.

  1. Mar 4, 2012 #81 of 207
    la24philly

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    what are the kings n ducks contract with fox. I wonder if TW has approached kings or ducks with offer.
     
  2. Mar 4, 2012 #82 of 207
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    That would not work unless one of two things happened. They also had a alt part time feed that everyone will carry, or which ever team would also get a significant ota deal. Lakers will take precedence, and that means many games that are aired today would not be able to be aired without one of those two things happening. I believe all games for both teams are currently on tv in la, with all kings games on fsn or pt and ducks games on one of those two and a couple games on 56.
     
  3. Mar 5, 2012 #83 of 207
    la24philly

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    today is the launch of FS SD, but I don't knwo the time. Its just past 5 ET now 2 PT.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2012 #84 of 207
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    Apparently the FS San Diego crew has arrived at the Padres spring training complex! So the launch should be very soon!
     
  5. Mar 5, 2012 #85 of 207
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    Is there a confirmed channel number yet?
     
  6. Mar 6, 2012 #86 of 207
    inkahauts

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    No but I am guessing that part time game only channel will show up at 693-1. That's my guess!
     
  7. Mar 6, 2012 #87 of 207
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    It sounds like FS San Diego is going to fill some of its space with some Prime Ticket programming.

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/17/tp-fox-sports-san-diego-to-launch-around-first/

    Non-Padres programming before and after that date is expected to be a combination of national FSN telecasts as well as games now seen on Fox Sports Prime Ticket involving the Los Angeles Clippers, Anaheim Ducks and various colleges including UCLA and USC.

    On a side note... Is anyone worried that TW may hold its new SoCal RSN hostage from the other providers to drive people to its cable service (similar to what Cox did in SD, and Comcast does in PDX and Philly)?
     
  8. Mar 6, 2012 #88 of 207
    inkahauts

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    No. This isnt the same situation. Time Warner doesn't own the entire market like Comcast virtually does back east in that market. There are way to many other providers to try and play that game, and the lakers market for this station is from vegas to bakersfield to san deigo. They cant afford to try and hold this channel hostage. There is a reason they bid so much for the lakers, its because of how big the market for them is. Not to mention the rumors are already out there about what they are asking for the stations, and is sounds like they are at the hi end, but for the two combined, and are actually mid price range of other RSNs when looked at on a per station basis. Considering how big the spanish version may be since it will have original spanish programing, and being for this market that stretches from vegas to the boarder I suspect that that particular channel will be huge in ratings and ad revenue. Also, i know everyone likes to say that the Philly situation is costing DirecTV money, but that's nothing in comparison to what DirecTV would loose that they already have if they are not able provide any lakers games to anyone in the lakers market. This is one of the few deals that I just don't see DirecTV not getting done. They'd have an easier time losing some of the lil channels than a lakers rsn to be honest. Most people could get their locals via ota but that wouldn't work for the lakers next year anymore.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2012 #89 of 207
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    Well, Comcast pulled this crap in Oregon. They started CSNNW five years ago by signing the Portland Trailblazers to a 10-year deal. And Comcast does NOT even cover half the state. Over 50% of the state has no opportunity to watch the Blazers. If they purchase League Pass it will be blacked out because the Blazers own the territory, yet most of the non-Comcast territories don't carry the RSN (due to it being intentionally overpriced). Comcast doesn't care about the lost territory, because they more than make up for it in the areas they do serve. Would you rather have a customer pay you $100+ a month to access your service and your RSN, while keeping them away from the competition, which would only pay you $1-2 per customer. What's to stop TW from doing the same thing? They would make far more money by driving people to its cable system in the areas it does serve, rather than selling its RSN to everyone. That's the problem with service providers owning high-demand networks. I realize the Lakers are as big as it gets in sports, but the Blazers have always had some of the best in-market ratings in the league. It's been five years since half the state has even been able to get their games now, with five more to go.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2012 #90 of 207
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    Other teams will have learned from the Trailblazers mistakes. New deals are likely to include language to prevent that by either adding the ability to opt-out or to require additional payments if a certain percentage of the footprint doesn't have access to them.

    Just look at the Pac-12 Network. Formed with the aide of several major cable operators, they went out of their way to say that the new network would be for available (at a reasonable rate) to DBS and telco's.
     
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    My guess is 694.:)
     
  12. Mar 6, 2012 #92 of 207
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    Teams should learned from when the cubs moved some of the WGN games to CLTV (and back then it's not on all area cable systems) after that short lived fail they moved games to FSN that ended up putting games on FSN + that was on cltv (but FSN + was on all systems that that the main FSN)
     
  13. Mar 6, 2012 #93 of 207
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    Sorry, still not the same. The economics are totally different for the lakers market than they are for most other markets in the country. It's very unusual because we are so spread out and have so many other carriers. The lakers market hits multiple large dmas, and covers millions of customers. Again, san deigo, to santab barbra, vegas, inland empire, palm springs, oh, and i forgot, all of hawaii, the list goes on and on... Time warner does not own all that area. In fact, i am guessing they don't have access to half the people in the market, maybe less. Oregons population is about the size of san Diego. It would make less money by trying to force everyone to their systems in the areas they have vs the amount of money they could make if they get all carriers to carry the channel. How may actual customers does Comcast have in the blazers territory in Oregon, vs how big the actual territory is, and then compare the same kinds of things to the lakers dma. yeah, In Oregon they are missing what, maybe 1.5 million customers right, figuring they can make that up by trying not to ever loose any of their 1.5 million customers. In the lakers market, they would be missing more like 10 million or more. They can't make up for 10 million customers by guaranteeing they keep their current customers and adding even 1 million more to their customer base. And then add in all the ad revenue dollars they would loose by being denyed access to 10 million customers. The economics just aren't the same.

    But all that is mute. The rumored pricing for the two lakers channels combined is said to be less (if I remember my numbers right) than what Comcast is asking for that channel in Oregon. And which do you think will have more viewers? I think the rumored price tw is asking for the two lakers channels is less than what MSG is asking tw for even one of their two channels in new York.

    Now if tw also gets the dodgers, then things will get interesting, because they will raise their prices, but then fox will have to lower theirs, or loose a channel entirely... Should be interesting, but that's over a year away.
     
  14. Mar 7, 2012 #94 of 207
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    Sports Business Journal says its official. DTV will carry channel (as will Cox). Love watching some Padres baseball
     
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    DCSholtis

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    When? and you have a link?!
     
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    And here is another confirmation (albeit "unofficial") that DirecTV will carry FS San Diego: http://twitter.com/#!/@sdutposner

     
  18. Mar 7, 2012 #98 of 207
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    Don't be sorry, I'm hoping that TW doesn't pull this crap. I want everyone that wants their in-market RSN to be able to get it, regardless of where they live or which service they use. I grew up in Oregon and know what the Blazers mean to the state, and I hate what Comcast has done. It shouldn't be allowed, but they've got the government in their back pocket. Can you imagine not having access to your favorite team for 10 years? And what about the crap they've pulled in Philly? One of the business journals figured Comcast could lose 400K customers if they let the satellite companies carry CSN Philly.
     
  19. Mar 7, 2012 #99 of 207
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    well likely it will be a part time sub feed so it does not need to start right away.
     
  20. Mar 8, 2012 #100 of 207
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    Yet another confirmation: http://www.nctimes.com/sports/baseb...5-10fc-585e-82a1-bf42048df760.html?mode=story

    And as far as possible programming on FS San Diego:
     

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