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Pan Am OAD 09/26/2011 Pilot

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by cj9788, Sep 26, 2011.

  1. phrelin

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    :lol:

    I'm also suffering from "Mad Men" separation anxiety.
     
  2. RunnerFL

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    Well but they could have chosen to build their set, if it is a set and not just a green screen, based on a terminal that existed in 1963. I'm not sure about location expenses, I believe it's all shot in NY.

    And it wouldn't take much more effort to make a plane look like it's landing instead of just falling out of the sky. :lol:
     
  3. Stuart Sweet

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    I think that all things considered they would have been better off using stock footage than trying to recreate stuff in the computer.
     
  4. RunnerFL

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    Yes, agreed.
     
  5. mreposter

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    So are people still sticking with this show? I'm still watching, but have been kinda disappointed, the show just isn't clicking, like it's not sure what it wants to be or what the underlying story is supposed to be.

    I also think Christina Ricci is badly miscast here and it's showing more and more each week.
     
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    Yeah, there was a lot of promise in the premise, but the primary writers and showrunners Jack Orman and Nancy Hult Ganis seem to be out of touch with a potentially reachable audience. In retrospect, despite their denials, maybe they did think they were going to create the new "Mad Men" but on broadcast television. They should have focused on plot, plot, and plot and let others worry about what life was like in the early 1960's. And a consistent plot could not have the crew flying to Europe one day and the Far East the next.

    Christina Ricci was an odd choice because she's too short - she couldn't have been a stew. I like her, but the recent back story on her character and her character's ambition just doesn't work.

    I'll continue to watch because I anticipated something different - it's almost like a bullfight where the bull is winning.
     
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    I have all eps on DVR. Watched 1st 3 but after another "stews go to another foreign location and there's a spy subplot" my interest waned. It has more potential. Haven't given up but lost it's "must see" status with me. Plus Hell on Wheels is in the mix now...
     
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    The Berlin ep showed so much promise and depth. This last ep with the obnoxious Smash kid from Friday Night Lights was nothing but sickening pandering and political diatribe. The handling of Nico was just ridiculous, silly stuff. Show has gone from fresh and dynamic to slow and tawdry. Wake up, writers!

    Of course, we're also witnessing budget-itis. The show promised a new city every week. Now all we get are airplane interiors, apartment interiors and NYC street scenes. Cheep cheep! I thought this was a road picture, guys!
     
  9. Church AV Guy

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    Well, it was supposed to be, but the ratings don't justify the expense hit that a real road series would involve. I know they make these things much in advance of the showings, so they just don't know how well they'll do, but we are far enough along that that I'll bet the budget cuts are a result of the first one or two episodes ratings falling short of expectations.
     
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    Unfortunately, budget cuts aren't going to save this show from the ratings ax. We'll see a new show in this slot mid-season.
     
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    Didn't they bring in a new Producer to shake things up and work on the scripts?
     
  12. Stuart Sweet

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    I had hopes for this show. I really did. I do think the production design has gotten a little better, although the sets have gotten more generic. I just think in the end the show was doomed by the spy subplot which seems just goofy.
     
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    The Berlin episode is the one that finally helped me make my decision to drop the show.
     
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    Man, these episodes keep getting worse and worse.
    The black sailor episode was incredibly superficial and the dialog was really clunky.
     
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    It certainly was not the way I would have designed a plot dealing with racism at that time. This was a warm and fuzzy subplot that did not increase the depth of the Laura character (played by Australian actress Margot Robbie) or help the overall story arc.

    What troubles me is that the writer credit for this episode went to Moira Walley-Beckett who has co-writer credits for 7 "Breaking Bad" episodes. I really don't understand what Producer/writer Jack Orman is thinking here, although he was the creator of the loser "Dr. Vegas". And I'm beginning to think that having ex-PanAm-stew producer Nancy Hult Ganis involved might not add much depth to the producer/writer ranks which is disappointing considering her non-stew background.

    Pan Am, a major carrier in Latin America and the Caribbean at the time, was flying out of Miami and Houston. A thoughtful multi-episode story arc about the insidiousness of racism in the U.S., Latin American and the Caribbean could have been interesting and creative.

    Instead, next week we're going to Caracas and be seeing a "dashing, wealthy" Venezuelan, plus confront a medical emergency involving Haiti "reeling from tropical storms." Groan. :rolleyes:
     
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    Carlos Ramirez from the Flying Nun, perhaps?
    Groan, indeed...
     
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    Well, I won't discuss plot points, but I'm still watching. It's definitely cheesy, but I kind of get a kick out of it. I won't be upset if it's canceled, but I'll watch until it is. :)
     
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    Haitian rebels? Ugh.
    Okay, I give up.
     
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    It was as sappy and awful as any old romance movie with Tab Hunter and Natalie Wood. What's with these people?
     
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    This can happen to TV shows, they lose focus, the showrunner panics, the budget is cut, etc etc. Ricci is truly a brutal casting here. She has neither the looks or the height or even the youth to pull this off at all. The French chick is fantastic: lovely, subtle, sexy, sophisticated. She blows away all the other stews and steals every scene she's in. Laura is just plain awful, and her sister is not much better. And the flight crew is a classic maleogeny deal: shallow horndogs on the prowl. Period. Flat as pancakes.

    Berlin used the Kennedy backdrop brilliantly, and the French stew's subplot was touching and realistic.

    They've done nothing remotely like that since. Just preachy and awkward morality lessons about racism and patriotism. If I wanted those I'd be over watching cable news channels.
     

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