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Discussion in 'The OT' started by fluffybear, Apr 30, 2012.
From Mercury News:
In other news, I stubbed my toe (not tow) the other day.
who are you going to sue?
That seems about right. Punishing him in later years was a bit harsh. Family should have taken the offer and gone on.
I went to a private school and with this level of offense, you were gone. Kicked out. Done.
I never take pledges signed at gunpoint seriously. Has anyone ever declined to sign such a pledge, other than people whose religion may prohibiit it?
In fairness to the school, I suspect that cheating through plagerism is now a big, big headache for them to police just because so much adaptable content is readily available on the internet.
It does sound like the penalties for infractions were confusing. Although, the school provided an adequate offer in my opinion. I think that the case is frivolous and should be thrown out, but alas we will have to see what transpires, eh?
All the pledge really does is a way for the school to show documentation that you agreed to the rules and regulations for enrolling in the class. If you don't sign the pledge, they don't let you enroll in the class.
He (and his mother) signed an agreement on what is required for him to stay in the class. He broke that agreement.
Forget the pledge for a minute... it might not be enforceable anyway, especially since a minor can't legally sign many kinds of contracts... but forget all that...
The kid cheated... was caught cheating... and freely admits to the cheating.
Should someone who cheats, especially if caught and admitting it, be able to stay in the honors program?
We're not talking about violating a rule by accident or not understanding a rule... I can't say everyone in my first grade class understood (many of them had problems understanding the concept of taking turns in games)... but at some point fairly early on... every kid knows that if you are assigned homework and you don't do it yourself (especially if you outright copy the work of someone else)... then you cheated.
A sophomore claiming to understand that this might be a bad thing on his record has a tough time, if you ask me, explaining how he didn't willfully cheat.
I'm not saying his life should be ruined over it... but if they allow him to cheat and stay in the program, then what's the point of school at all? He could just copy everything from someone else and not learn anything.
It's hard to feel sorry for any student, much less an honor student, caught cheating.
The concept of "Honor and Duty" are lost these days, but for a few.
Ditto on both.
Now the lovely parents have ensured notoriety for the child. Yuck.
Ok, I am failing to see the problem here.
If I had done so, I would have been terribly embarrassed to have ANYone know I cheated. My parents wouldn't have had to do anything to make me want to sink through the floor if caught.
I know some really good kids, but the majority have no shame and no sense of responsibility.
And I'm not sure how many "opportunities" this kid might have in the future anyway--he's so dumb he copied the paper of someone in the same class!!
I think the school made a good offer. However, what about this part of the article:
If this is accurate, then the student shouldn't have been kicked out of the program (even though allowing for two cases of plagiarism before serious punishment is way too leinient).
Do you mean you fail to see a problem with the Dad suing the school or the the school punishing the kid for cheating?
The school punishing the kid for cheating.
Don't you know how this works? Pledges, rules and promises only apply to other people and their kids. Elitist people feel "If me or my kid get in trouble, everyone is supposed to forget about it and pretend it didn't happen."
I almost said that...
When I was in school, someone cheated on me in computer class... I had left my computer with my disc to go to the computer with the printer (yeah, we only had one printer back then in school)... and when I turned my back, a neighbor put his disc in and saved my program.
He changed a few things... but forgot to rename the file... and all of our filenames contained out initials... and by then the teacher knew how I wrote code enough to recognize my code anyway.
It was both sad and amusing to hear the teacher scolding the student... I'm pretty sure I actually hear him say "and you didn't even change the name of the file"!