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Pats-Giants now available NATIONWIDE on CBS/NBC/NFLN

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by jtcrusader, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. Lord Vader

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    No, it's called dismissing what you have illustrated is inconsistent and illogical.


    You finally understand. :)
     
  2. Steve Mehs

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    Again do you realize the NFL Network affects me, Comcast Sports Net Philly does not. I drink Coke, not Pepsi. Pepsi could get the contract with McDonalds becoming the soda provider instead of Coke. I don't eat at McDonalds, it has not affect on me, therefore I don't care.
     
  3. Msguy

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    Go Patriots
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    Go Giants. (If for no other reason that it would totally devastate Steve Meh's dream season.) :D
     
  5. Steve Mehs

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    At least spell my name right.
     
  6. Lord Vader

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    I was hoping you wouldn't notice. :D
     
  7. Steve Mehs

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    No one can pronounce it correctly, so the least I can ask for is correct spelling. :)
     
  8. Stewart Vernon

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    Hey, wait... I thought (according to other threads) it doesn't matter how you spell as long as people know what you are talking about ;)
     
  9. Steve Mehs

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    :lol: You got me
     
  10. rcoleman111

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    Not a different animal at all, and certainly not just semantics. Most of your comments simply confirm what I said - that the NFL's business practices and it's TV contracts are subject to federal regulation. If you don't like it, you're entitled to your opinion, but there are a lot of us who like it just fine. It's perfectly legal and it benefits consumers, just as the law that stopped the blackouts did. If you want to pretend that law had no similarity to the issue being discussed here, go right ahead, but most of us know better.

    The cable companies are simply trying to avoid having to pay fees based on the total number of subscribers on their systems, which forces every subscriber to pay for NFL Network whether they want it or not. When they added the 8-game package of live telecasts, they raised subscriber fees substantially and insisted it could only be on a basic program tier, which would force every subscriber to bear the cost of NFL Network. Time Warner and some of the other companies wanted to put it on a separate tier where only those who wanted the program would have to pay for it. The NFL copied that strategy from ESPN - in fact, it's the same person who is responsible.

    Before there was competition from satellite, the cable operators could tell ESPN to shove it and drop the channel from their systems if the per-subscriber cost got too high. Subscribers had nowhere else to go, so it would have meant lost revenue for ESPN if the cable companies dropped them. With competition from satellite, the cable companies have little choice but to go along with these tactics and pass on the costs to all subscribers, whether they watch ESPN or not. The result is that all subscribers on cable or satellite systems are forced to pay the exorbitant fees charged by ESPN, which should be sold as a premium channel or on a separate program tier where everyone isn't forced to pay for it. These practices are commonplace today and they are the reason programming costs continue to skyrocket for both cable and satellite. Consumers are having to pay for this in rapidly rising subscription fees and the only thing that will stop it is federal regulation.
     
  11. Greg Bimson

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    Most of who knows better?

    The NFL owns a distribution channel, which is available to all takers, just like Disney and NewsCorp and NBC/Universal and Scripps, and even Comcast. And the complaints are coming because access to these games are being denied by the cable companies. Call it what you will, but then when the cable companies come crying to the government for help, one of these cable companies employs this practice on a much worse scale.
    Okay. So this isn't about Congress stepping in and making sure the game is available, as much as it is that Congress should step in and protect the cable companies, including the one that is a much worse offender.
    Once again, the fact that a couple of Senators have commented on the NFL Network's ownership and possible anti-trust violations does not equate to your opinion as to how programming should be structured.
    You nor I make a check out to ESPN, so I'd ask the statement be rephrased. The statement makes it appear there is a direct correlation between programming costs to the distributor and packaging costs to the consumer, when over half of a cable or satellite bill does not pay for programming.
     
  12. Lord Vader

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    All too easy.
     
  13. Steve Mehs

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    If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    Other people. Always laugh at other people :)

    But semi-on-topic for a moment... I hate when the government gets involved in things that are not really earth-shaking matters. They really should have more important things to do and more important problems to solve than monkeying around with NFL broadcasts.

    I find it sad when a senator or congressman will be up in arms about how NFL fans are being "cheated" by not having the NFL Network... when there are lots of homeless and hungry people who are being more cheated by not having food or shelter. Where's the outrage and instant bills being passed to fix those problems?
     
  15. Greg Bimson

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    Because homeless people don't have money.
     
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    NFL(212), CBS(Boston) no DD5.1 ------ WCVB(ABC-Boston), NBC(Boston) YES on DD5.1
     
  17. phox_mulder

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    Here it sounds like NBC(KSL 5-1) is faking the DD5.1 though, commentators aren't coming out of the center channel.


    phox
     
  18. Steve Mehs

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    Sorry, both NBC and CBS have the game in HD and it looks spectacular here on CBS HD on Time Warner Cable. Consumers win, so go hug your dish and DEAL WITH IT!

    I do like the the NFL Networks opening theme, but I not surprised to see the comish give an opening statement.
     
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    I don't care which network you watch it on Bryant Gumbel is TERRIBLE. It's very difficult to enjoy a game with him attempting to announce it.
     
  20. Lord Vader

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    My local NBC network affiliate along with the HD DNS channel 82 are DD5.1. The NFL Network and CBS feed are both Neural THX 7.1. Strange.
     

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