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Phillies-Nationals 8/11

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Eksynyt, Aug 11, 2013.

  1. KyL416

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    I haven't found anything so far that would cause it, but usually it happens when there's a local event going on causing a conflict. i.e. the San Diego marathon was using the stadium parking lot so their game was played in the evening during the ESPN window a few months ago, a few weeks ago the UFC event in Seattle resulted in the game being played during the Fox window so both events wouldn't be ending at the same time and create a traffic nightmare.
     
  2. joshjr

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    My call was not based on what I think or know they care about. It was to let them know as a paying customer that helps support their team on some level, I was not happy with the decision. As for them getting approval from MLB, that is what I was told when I called the National's today. The guy said they had the time approved with MLB at the beginning of the season and it was an experiment. They have no other Sunday home games starting after 5pm ET according to them.

    Truth be told, I dont really care what you think. I dont pay alot of money for out of market games just to have them blacked out. Maybe you do and if so, I am happy for you. I was displeased with them and let them both know.
     
  3. joshjr

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    I agree that exceptions have to be made. It would be great if the excpetions ever seemed like it related to those watching on TV. Heaven forbid someone miss 10 minutes of the ESPN game Sunday night. I would of been happier to find out that the game was just not televised. I came across a few of those earlier in the season. Those are a little easier to understand then just wanted to try something that blacked out the game for most of the entire US.

    When I asked them if looking back, blacking out the Strasburg complete game shutout was a good decision, they both declined to answer. That tells me that they could not say that they were even if they refused to say they were not. They will never know how many people would of watched that game. I can tell you I have hardly watched a Nationals game all year and seeing that game would of made me want to tune into one of their games again in the near future. Now I could care less. They didnt care about people who paid to see that game so why I should watch any of their games?
     
  4. cmasia

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    <<<I would of been happier to find out that the game was just not televised.>>>

    I'm sure Tony G and the thousands of people who watched in Philadelphia and Washington are not happily agreeing with you.

    <<<When I asked them if looking back, blacking out the Strasburg complete game shutout was a good decision, they both declined to answer.>>>

    Since you apparently knew what was going to happen, can you help us by telling us the results of tomorrow's games?

    <<<I can tell you I have hardly watched a Nationals game all year and seeing that game would of made me want to tune into one of their games again in the near future. Now I could care less.>>>

    And had yesterday's game been played in the 1:00 or 4:00 eastern window, by your very admission, you would not have watched the Nats' game.

    Once and for all, the EI package has never promised every game, every day.

    Oh, and by the way, MLB network showed most of the last 3 innings of the game through live cut ins.
     
  5. tjguitar

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    The Rangers have a waiver. MLB approves all start times.
     
  6. tonyd79

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    A lot of money. Even if you paid full price, we are talking $140. There are 2,430 MLB games a year. Probably 90% or more are on EI (at least one feed). That is 2,100 games. So, the nationals game squandered all of 6.67 cents of your payment. I am sure that the time you spent was worth more than 7 cents to complain about a game you were never going to get in the first place.

    Hope you at least got to vent properly.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    This came up with the Orioles/Ravens conflict NFL opening night this year. MLB does approve game times but they mostly rubber stamp anything the two teams approve. I am sure there are some guidelines but I doubt MLB was ever going to object to the 5 pm start time.

    As for the Rangers exemption, it is for broadcasting locally during the heart of the espn blackout period. Perhaps MLB (actually espn) had to approve the Philly and Nationals local TV.
     
  8. joshjr

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    Like I said, I dont care what any of you think. I expressed my opinion to who I thought should hear it. No more and no less.
     
  9. milton

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    This is bad economics. By your logic, the half-season price should be 1/2 the price of the full season since every game is valued the same by the consumer. That's not the case. Most people buy Extra Innings to watch specific teams. For Josh, a Nationals-Phillies game is worth a lot more than a Royals-Astros game.

    This ESPN Sunday night window also prevented EI subscribers from seeing this moment in MLB history: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL199809200.shtml . I think people would have paid more than 7 cents to see that.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    No, that is the actual cost per game. Period. It is because he is buying in bulk. That is economics. If he wanted to buy a specific game, the price would be much higher. (Oh, and they do cut the price after the All-Star Game.)

    Uh, the game you quoted was on national TV. EI subscribers on EI didn't see it because it was ON ESPN!

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-8-minor-at-third-sept-20-1998-20120330,0,187085.photo

    As for the value to Josh, he already stated that he doesn't watch the Nationals and didn't really care about the game until he saw it was on.

    I do not buy EI to watch specific teams. Many do not. My favorite team is in my market. I buy it (and most do, I think) because they are BASEBALL fans. And even if it were for one team, the price would still be about a whole damned buck for one game. That's assuming they watch no other games on it at all, that is.

    The price he is paying is less than 7 cents per game. Not the seller's problem if he throws away the other games.

    BTW, you then refute your whole argument with the Cal Ripken game. If someone buys the package to watch the Royals, then why is an Orioles/Yankee game so valuable? Especially when the "news" coming from it is not known in advance?
     
  11. milton

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    Tony,

    You were assuming that the game was of a 7 cent value to Josh when you compared the value of that game to the time spent sending the e-mails. What is bad economics is you assuming that Josh gets a 7 cent value out of each game simply because that's the average price per game. You get 150 channels on Directv and you pay $75 per month...the price per channel is 50 cents, but that doesn't mean you personally get a 50 cent value from QVC and from TBS. This is about Josh's value, not the value to the typical fan.

    Also, regarding the Cal Ripken game, that is incorrect. It was not nationally televised. Now ESPN may have broken into the local feed (HTS at the time), but ESPN didn't air any baseball game. It wasn't on MLB EI because MLB was (as is now) often unaware/uncaring of issues in television: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/orioles/longterm/1998/streakends/articles/espn21.htm
     
  12. joshjr

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    I am a first time EI sub this year. I wanted it to be able to watch the pitching matchups I wanted to see. Sunday I wanted to see Strasburg pitch. No way of knowing at the beginning of the season who would pitch in this 5pm et game. While I agree that teams have most fans locally, not all are. Where I live there are no teams within 3.5 hours of me and that is the Royals which are not really what I want to see. Quite simply, I just dont think it was fair to black that game out to everyone who paid to see it. Not matter if its 7 cents or not, I paid to see it.
     
  13. milton

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    Based on the terms of the contract of MLB EI, you didn't pay to see that game because it technically is not part of EI (just like FOX Saturday games). I think the policy is stupid and that MLB does a lot of stupid stuff when it comes to television, but that's what you signed up for. Note that there is no way in which you could have legally watched that game from your location. There was no purchase option, which is where your gripe should be, in my opinion.)

    Tony is wrong to assume that the game was only worth 7 cents to you based on an average price per game statistic, and then to criticize you for e-mailing your frustrations because of that 7 cent figure.

    I think there are ways in which MLB could accommodate EI/MLB.TV while still respecting exclusivity zones. That's why I suggested inserting ESPN commercials into the MLBEI/MLBTV feeds of games that aired during the ESPN window. I think this is something potentially that MLB/ESPN could agree upon for these cases. But I don't think MLB really cares enough to pursue this issue.
     
  14. KyL416

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    The reason MLB.tv replaces ads is not because of who has the rights to the game, it's a contractual issue where they would have to pay the talent that appears in the ads if they were to show them online. It's the same reason why radio stations replace ads with PSAs and promos on their online streams and local TV stations that stream their news online put a slate up when it's a commercial break. Heck even ESPN's own Watch ESPN and ESPN Mobile TV replaces all ads with endless This is SportsCenter promos until the show comes back.
     
  15. joshjr

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    While I agree with most of what you are saying, I did pay to see that game too. It was the Nationals and MLB that thought it was a good idea to deprive the fans of the game. I wonder if MLB actually discusses these issues. Not sure how many providers have MLB Xtra Innings but it would be interesting to know based on provider, how many games each provider was not able to air for their customers. You would think MLB would want to know.
     
  16. milton

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    Re: ESPN --- Which is interesting because advertisers that pay to run ads on ESPN TV are hurt when people switch over to the Watch ESPN app, yet ESPN does it anyway. And it reduces their ratings.

    I think ESPN would be okay with letting people watch occasional Sunday night games that go up against SNB if the ads were replaced with ESPN promos.

    Although people can say "boo hoo" for a fan only missing one game, I think MLB/Directv/et al. would be happy to be able to say "Now you can see every MLB game this season with MLB EI or MLB.TV," just like NFL ST does. The hurdle isn't that great. Virtually every game is already televised. It's just the FOX/ESPN windows that prevent this, along with the very few non-televised games that MLB.TV fixes with audio/video sync.
     
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    No, what he PAID for the game is what its value is. The market value is NOT what sentiment says it is worth. Go try to sell your mother's favorite handkerchief that means the world to you. And unless she was jackie O or someone of stature, you won't get piddle for it.

    As for the supposedly historic game that Cal did not play in (it was only historical for five minutes), who cares?

    And you keep claiming that ESPN would be okay with promos to displace ratings. Nope. They count every click for their apps. They have metrics. They get paid by advertisers by TV ratings and internet metrics. They aren't interested in putting ESPN ads on the other programs. They wouldn't get paid. You are pretty foolish to think they aren't tracking the viewership of Watch ESPN.

    The last point in your latest post. Sure, they would like to say they have every game but the sheer numbers make it pretty much meaningless. And the amount of money they require and the hoops they would have to jump through make it a diminishing return. The hurdle must be great or they would have done it by now. As for missing one game, "boo hoo." I've missed games. i don't bitch and moan about it. I am not a member of the entitlement brigade who thinks they should have everything all the time.

    (Oh, and the NFL really cannot claim every game all the time. Ask those who get blacked out because of a lack of sellouts.)
     
  18. tonyd79

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    No, you did not.
     
  19. FLWingNut

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    Sounds like this was a local decision made for local reasons for local fans. Out of market fans are not the priority when scheduling. Sounds like the Nats are trying to fill their ballpark.
     
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    They are doing quite well with filling their ballpark. They were experimenting with a later start because Sunday afternoons in DC can be quite brutal in August. All the minor league teams (and there are quite a few) go to 5 or 6 pm starts on Sundays when school is out for the same reason.
     

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