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Phillies-Nationals 8/11

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Eksynyt, Aug 11, 2013.

  1. milton

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    Tony,

    In summary: You criticized Josh's decision to e-mail the teams by saying that the time he wasted was worth more than 7 cents. But in that context, the 7 cent figure is incorrectly applied. The market value is irrelevant for his decision. What's relevant is Josh's value. By your argument, if a local CBS affiliate went black during the Super Bowl, people shouldn't waste their time on Monday to call the station to complain because the value is zero because that is the financial cost to the consumer for the game. That's ridiculous. The loss to the consumer is his/her reserve price -- how much he/she would be willing to pay for that game.

    Also regarding econ, you point out diminishing returns with regards to the # of games, but my point is that at its current level, it can actually be increasing returns...if adding a few games gives you better marketing, then it may be worth it.

    And also, I never said they weren't keeping track of the Watch ESPN subscribers. Watch ESPN lowers TV ratings and TV ad revenues, which is offset against the revenue from online advertisers/internet providers.
     
  2. cmasia

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    joshjr:

    I hope you read your other contracts more closely than you read this one.

    From the DirecTV MLB Web page on blackouts:

    ESPN BLACKOUT INFORMATION
    Due to an agreement between Major League Baseball and ESPN, any out-of-market Sunday game that begins after 5:00 p.m. ET will not be available with the MLB EXTRA INNINGSā„  package.


    Tony's right. You did not pay to see this.

    Buyer beware...
     
  3. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Also, some care needs to be taken between cost to an individual and value to that individual. For me, the value of AMC is much higher than QVC, thought they arguably cost me the same. (number of channels I get/monthly bill). Many BB games are worth 0 to me, but those I want to see are worth way more than a few dollars.
     
  4. joshjr

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    We just look at it differently I guess. So if the team had scheduled the game to start earlier and it was in EI then would you be saying I still didnt pay for it? On some level each team should receive some compensation for EI and for MLB.TV. If the teams are compensated from the money I spent, yeah I feel a little entitled. Still dont care what you guys think. You have your opinion and I have mine.

    Just for grins, so what happens when its a team in the playoff hunt and this happens? Do you still think everyone should be quiet because it was just 7 cents? To each their own!
     
  5. cmasia

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    Joshjr:

    You are the gift that just keeps on giving...

    If the game was scheduled inside the window and you did see it, yes, indeed you would have paid for it, since you got it.

    If you buy a bag of strawberries, you get the ones in the bag, not the ones outside. it is that simple.

    Each team does receive compensation from EI, but that still does not "entitle" you to see every single game. Once again, read the agreement.

    If there is a big game later we don't see due to scheduling issues, we will not be happy, but unlike you, we know what we paid for.

    PS: For someone who keeps claiming, "Still dont care what you guys think", your knee jerk, flailing replies indicate otherwise.

    PPS: Had Strasburg given up 6 in the 3rd inning, we all would have been denied the entertainment of your zany attempts at consumer protection.
     
  6. tonyd79

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    Yawn. He paid 7 cents per game. That is all. He did NOT buy the game that he complained about, so his actual value is zero. Real numbers. Not fake bullshit mumbo-jumbo.

    Your Super Bowl connection is wrong as the real customer there is the advertisers and the billions they pour into the game. The viewer of the game is the commodity, not the purchaser.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    No, if the game is within the definition of the games you get, then you paid for it. Sort of. Because you DO NOT PAY FOR INDIVIDUAL GAMES. There is nothing in the agreement, nothing in the advertisement that says you will get every game. You are buying a grab bag of games. This is not PPV where you pay for that particular viewing. By definition, any game that is not on, you did not pay for. They only guarantee a number of games per week. If you get that, that is what you pay for.

    However, specifically in this case, you were able to know in advance that this game would NOT be on. It is the opposite of getting what you pay for. It is asking for something you will categorically will not get.

    Playoffs or not, doesn't matter. The deal is the same. You don't pay more to get playoff race games.
     
  8. joshjr

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    I guess no one should ever complain according to some on here. If all the Nationals games fell in blackout windows it would just be acceptable. You can't always take everything at face value. As a fan of the game (MLB) I felt obligated to let both know that I was a displeased fan and why, especially since both of them caused it. They would not consider something different next time if no one complained. It was an experiment according to the Nationals. Well as I was part of their experiment, I felt obglated to give them my feedback.
     
  9. milton

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    I'm not sure why 5pm games aren't allowed as most games would be complete by 8pm. (Fox only gets a 3-hour window on Saturdays.) I know it's part of the contract now.

    Maybe Josh and others complaining to the team should suggest a 4:59 start time so as to allow for out-of-market television.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    That is the best solution.
     

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