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Playboy Ad While Watching Sprout

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by fwlogue, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. Jun 28, 2009 #81 of 106
    Tom Servo

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    The technical aspect of this problem has piqued my interest, and also got me a little confused.

    Did the OP see an actual video/audio advert for the Playboy channel, or an ad for the channel plus the receiver's "Buy Now?" banner, or just the "Buy Now?" banner on a blank screen?

    I don't utilize the porn channels but have noticed that, unlike other PPVs, they do not include visible previews or commercials for the service. I would imagine the Playboy Channel would also conform to that standard.

    I'd love to hear a technical explanation of how the LNB or multiswitch could be at fault for this kind of "channel switching" problem. I don't see how it's technically possible for the LNB to cause this kind of problem; it just passes the full received spectrum down to the receivers/multiswitch. I suppose the multiswitch could send the incorrect polarity down to the receiver but I dunno how that'd cause a different channel to show up.

    I guess it could have been a local ad insert placed on the wrong channel, but then in 10 years I've never seen a Playboy TV ad on any D* channel that I can remember.
     
  2. Jun 28, 2009 #82 of 106
    mx6bfast

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    Delray...
    It really is amazing how many people here think it is ok to have a porn channel commercial show on up a children's channel.
     
  3. Jun 29, 2009 #83 of 106
    brucegrr

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    I doubt anyone thinks it is OK. I don't like strip clubs advertising on billboards. They do. My kids see them..........it doesn't scar them or corrupt their mind.

    It seems most people think this was a technical glitch. If so, it happens. I doubt the OP's child will have nightmares over seeing a scantily clad women for 10 seconds on TV.

    If all else fails record everything, pre-screen everything. I highly doubt most parents will want to do that just to avoid a pg-13 playboy ad that might appear for 10 seconds once in a blue moon.
     
  4. Jun 29, 2009 #84 of 106
    Force3dFX

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    Agreed 100%. And it makes total sense to try and gets kids onboard early. With the internet being 95% porn it might be hard for them to realize things like "TV" were the original source for it.
     
  5. Jun 29, 2009 #85 of 106
    Force3dFX

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    fcc is for free things over the air, not services you pay for. Stop paying if you dont like the content you bought.
     
  6. Jun 29, 2009 #86 of 106
    Tom Servo

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    I could be wrong but I believe the FCC does enforce certain content rules for E/I programming, which I reckon Sprout would be full of. One of those rules is limited commercials, another is commercial content... Things like "no toy ads related to the cartoon/show" etc. I'm sure no adult content is in there somewhere. ;)
     
  7. Jun 29, 2009 #87 of 106
    Ken S

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    Read the post below your's ("get the kids onboard early") although I'm hoping his post was a weak attempt at sarcasm.

    If it was a technological glitch it can happen again...what happens if it is the trailer form a horror film next time? A glitch like this is actually of more concern...and parents should be warned that it can happen at anytime.

    The reality around this forum (with a few exceptions) is that people are more outraged by a Dish advertisement or Comcast advertisment than they are any issue concerning parental controls. This might also speak to why our society is where it is.
     
  8. Jun 29, 2009 #88 of 106
    MLBurks

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    Right you are. And that disgusts me.
     
  9. Jun 29, 2009 #89 of 106
    mx6bfast

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    Very much agreed. D* can do no wrong. While I am not one that will call up D* and cuss, get mad and take it out on the kids and not pay them any attention as the insightful poster claimed, I do care about what my kids watch. I'm not stupid, I know that in time my son and daughter will see things like porn, guys getting shot and blood squirting everywhere on tv, I do not want them to see them yet. Are ya'll telling me that a nearly 4 year old should be subjected to this kinda of stuff already? My son has been punched by 2 different kids in his daycare class who watch Power Rangers, the first happening when he was in the 2 year old class. My son has never watched that show. Kids are very impressionable at this age.

    If it is a technical glitch, then D* needs to find the problem and fix it. I'm sure however it is low on their totem pole. It is not up to D* to police what kids do and don't watch, but it is up to D* to make sure that there equipment is working properly to not have glitches like this.
     
  10. Jun 29, 2009 #90 of 106
    TITAN_53

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    Ken, i appreciate your obvious concern for childrens well being and i would also like to clear up that though i am certain that this is a technical problem with the OP's equipment i am in agreement with your position that if this was a problem on Directv's end and they were in fact advertising adult programming on a childrens channel (which they didnt) this would be an outrage. I also agree with everyone else about the ED commercials and i personally dont care to see commercials about womens problems or anything else related to these topics.

    I disagree that directv needs to go through all the trouble to warn people that if something goes wrong with THEIR (being the customers) equipment that they may be subject to unwanted advertisements, images or audio. By that logic then when you go purchase a car the dealer needs to run down every possible scenario of what could go wrong with that car at any given time and any and all unfortunate situations that said problem may leave you, your children, your family or anyone else that you may loan the car to in. Just doesnt seem very logical to me. There is assumed risk with anything that you purchase and people should already understand that, if they dont then theres a bigger issue at hand. Though i suppose if everyone did that in all aspects of life we wouldnt have morons suing over coffee being hot. If those people just wouldve told the customer that the coffee was hot they wouldnt have got burned by it :nono2:
     
  11. Jun 29, 2009 #91 of 106
    TITAN_53

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    The only way Directv could find the technical glitch and fix it is if the OP has a service call as the problem is with HIS equipment at HIS home
     
  12. Jun 29, 2009 #92 of 106
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    I don't know if this helps, but i've seen recievers do this when they start to go out. Somewhere in the mix (i assume) the reciever requests a specific channel from the multiswitch and the multiswitch sends the signal for the correct channel back to the reciever (or is supposed to if the signal is clean and correct from the reciever to the multiswitch), but i've seen it where the guide shows the right info, but turning to the channel (ie local nbc) gives you QVC or something way off. I don't know if that could have been what happened in this case or not, but i'm just saying i've seen similar things happen. I don't know that i've seen it happen during a show while it's on, but when you change the channel, something totally different comes up. Could be the LNB, Multiswitch, or the IRD. If it's only happened(happening) on 1 reciever, it's the unit itself or the port on the multiswitch it's connected to.

    Understanding that "crap" happens sometimes, and as a parent i'd be mad too, but i'm not gonna go suing my ISP everytime i hit a webpage with a 404.

    I'd get a service call, especially if you notice any other strange behavior from your equipment. A service call would probably be more productive. No Offense, just trying to help!
     
  13. Jun 29, 2009 #93 of 106
    TITAN_53

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    Now i will leave you guys with one more perfect example of this exact problem in a different context and i will bow out of this thread as if this doesnt allow you to understand it nothing will.

    I have a neighbor who is a hispanic woman who was having problems with her spanish channels. She called Directv and scheduled a service call after troubleshooting with the CSR because a channel that she was trying to watch was showing Showtime instead of whatever spanish channel was supposed to be there. The technician comes out but when he gets there the channel is now giving a 721 message and saying she didnt purchase that channel, the tech calls Directv sure that it was coming from them since it was saying she didnt purchase it. He goes through it with the CSR and after resetting the receiver now that same channel that was showing Showtime and then a 721 error is now saying that the channel is not available in her area. The technician figures her box is shot, luckily the tv on her 2nd receiver wasnt working so the tech just grabs that receiver and brings it in the living room to test it, same problem. So now the only thing to do is replace the LNB/Multiswitch (the switch and LNB are housed together on all dishes except a single LNB dish)on her triple LNB dish. The tech goes up and swaps it out and her channels were working normally on the receiver from the bedroom, he reconnects the receiver that was originally in that room and it works properly now also.

    I cant tell you what it is inside the switch or LNB that causes something like that but i can tell you that it is what causes the problem. As the dish was located at her home, owned by her and isnt monitored by Directv there was no way for them to fix that problem except by her calling in, reporting that she had a problem with her equipment and scheduling a technician to come out and fix it.

    I agree that if the OP's problem was caused by Directv then they screwed up BIG TIME, it wasnt so they didnt.

    I think pretty much everything that could be discussed in this thread has been discussed and its time for this thread to die out.
     
  14. Jun 29, 2009 #94 of 106
    TITAN_53

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    :up:
     
  15. Jun 29, 2009 #95 of 106
    FaderMD

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    I agree completely too. A lot of kids don't even know how "bad" something is when it happens, and a lot of kids gauge that by the parental reaction. If a parent blows up and calls someone screaming, the child will at that point realize that it's a pretty big deal and i believe it's at that point it reaches the Permanant or "scarred for life" stage. If a parent would have calmly handled it and explained that what happened wasn't good, the child would have learned and had not been subjected to the festival of colorful adjectives.

    I know myself, i can remember all the times when my dad blew up over something and made it a big deal, but there were tons of times where he said "that's not good" or "don't do that" that i don't even recall, but i still learned to stay away from the "bad" stuff he told me to avoid as a child.

    Like someone else already said, i'd either get a service call, or send an email to D* from the homepage.

    just my 2 cents. (and now i'm broke) ha!
     
  16. Jun 29, 2009 #96 of 106
    FaderMD

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    Exxxactlyyyyy!! :D
     
  17. Jun 30, 2009 #97 of 106
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    If there is a voltage drop that causes the 18V from the receiver to show up at the LNB as closer to 13V, the wrong polarity LNB will be selected and the wrong transponder will show up at the receiver. It won't show a picture from an unsubscribed channel but it would show the "buy now" prompt, with the banner from the intended channel at the top of the screen.

    Why is it easier for everyone to believe that DirecTV advertises Playboy on Sprout, which is at least a waste and probably considered improper and outrageous by most, than to believe the equipment glitched?

    And why do I care? Because I've seen things like this on my system within the last few weeks. The banner says NBC 3 but the picture is Disney. It was caused by my piggybacked multiswitches combined with a long cable run. I removed one of the switches and it no longer happens. A lot of things can cause it.

    But I'm done, you guys can consider me a liar if you want, I'm gone from this thread.
     
  18. Jun 30, 2009 #98 of 106
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    If you buy a car, from there on out whatever happens is YOUR responsibility. Everything is in your hands. If you have kids in the car, you can avoid certain areas of town that you know may have explicit billboard advertising. You can act to get certain advertisements removed. I was part of a group that acted to get an explicit Calvin Klein billboard removed. You can avoid bad areas of town. With DirecTV, you are PAYING them to deliver entertainment to you. You are leasing THEIR equipment. Because you pay them each month, it is their responsibility to make sure glitches that may expose kids to pornographic advertisements on kids channels do not happen. It is their responsibility to write the software that will make sure that THEIR equipment that you LEASE will work properly. With a car, it is YOUR responsibility to fix and maintain the car for your safety and those around you. I don't believe your logic is sound. But I'm sure we can go back and forth on this all day. The argument that has been taking place in this thread basically comes down to ones definition of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. We will all have different opinions. I think it is the parents responsibility to stand up for their kids and to protect them from what the parent thinks might harm them. Some say "Lighten up! Your kids will see it sooner or later". True. But hopefully by then, they will be mature enough to know how to process and filter crap from their own lives. Why do we have a ratings system in the movies and television? Is it not to give the parents the right to determine what their kids can and cannot see? If a program is rated TV-G, most parents would let their kids watch that program unsupervised. They would trust that no pornographic advertisement would air during that program. If that happens, I would not say "Oh well, just a glitch". I would do what I can to make sure that does not happen again, and let those who have the power to make sure that it doesn't happen again know how serious it is. And it is serious. Kids are the future of this world. And in today's day and age, that is a scary thought indeed because parents today by and large, more and more, don't take responsibility.
     
  19. Jun 30, 2009 #99 of 106
    Ken S

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    So, you're saying people should understand the workings of an LNB and multiswitch and just know that the channel may change at sometime? How do we protect ourselves from that continuing to happen?

    For the record, I don't really believe it was a local equipment malfunction. I believe it was more likely an improper advertisement insertion by DirecTV. Was it intentional? Probably not unless it was some idiot thinking they were funny...I don't believe DirecTV thinks they're going to get many Playboy subs out of the kids channels. If it was an error though...DirecTV should apologize and take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    While I'm sure it's technically possible for one channel to be broadcast on another caused by a local equipment failure I'd bet it's not something that could just happen once and not again for equipment that is otherwise operating properly. I just think that idea was put forth because there are people here that will never, ever admit that DirecTV would do something wrong or make a mistake.

    The car analogy just doesn't work for a couple of reasons, but let's not muddy this discussion with that at present. Take some time and look up "strict liability" and we can discuss it in private if you wish.
     
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    I only glanced at this thread a little bit. But a few things I thought about.

    First, I do believe the FCC has limited say in the matter of non - OTA channels. That is why you have South Park and Comedy Central's uncensored late nights. Although I wonder how tat falls into the question of advertising...

    Second, I seem to recall a bit of legislation a while back that limits the amount of commercials directed at children that could be shown during children's programing. That is why you get some very odd advertising during cartoons.

    Finally, ED adds are payed for by drug companies and not insurance companies. The drug commercials are some the most embarrassing things going (along with the "male enhancement commercials starring Bob) on TV. Makes me glad I have a DVR.
     

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