PlayStation 3 gets Dish DVR Virtual Joey app

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  1. Stewart Vernon

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    If they were smart (Dish), they would charge $4 for a virtual Joey... so that it is cheaper than a Joey.

    If they were REALLY smart, they would let people use a virtual Joey for free... and it would be a way to leverage all the Sony hardware out there who might be choosing between Dish and DirecTV, and they could save a few bucks going with Dish and using their PS3/4 as a virtual Joey.

    They certainly can nickel and dime everyone... but I believe they are missing a GOLDEN opportunity with the virtual Joey. Customers will still have to sign up for Dish service and get a Hopper... and they can still sell a 2nd Hopper or a Super Joey to them... but giving away virtual Joey would be a nice thing to dangle there for potential customers.
     
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  2. peds48

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    Why? Because that is what the link said. As a matter of fact, when I used to use my PS3 as a Blue Ray player, I bought the IR dongle and use a universal remote control, it feels more native than using the dual shock


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  3. James Long

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    An outlet is an outlet. $7 per outlet. Leaving money on the table isn't "smart".


    It cost money to develop the virtual Joey. Wouldn't it be nice if all Joeys were free? Wouldn't it be nice if all receivers were free? Wouldn't it be nice if DVR service was free? Wouldn't it be nice if HD was free (for all customers no restrictions)? There are a lot of things that could fall under the "wouldn't it be nice" pricing plan.

    The virtual Joey saves DISH a few bucks on the physical box (not a lot of electronics there). Any non-cabled Joey saves DISH a few bucks on installation (although DISH will need to support people who have problems with networking non-cabled boxes). An outlet is an outlet ... and this outlet costs $7, just like most of the others.
     
  4. acostapimps

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    Exactly just return a Joey and activate a VJ, if it sounds interesting to you watching on your PS3 or PS4, same functionality as a physical box.
     
  5. damondlt

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    I'm not talking about the dual shock controler.
    I'm talking about the remote that you can buy for a PS3.

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  6. P Smith

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    BTW, arguing on using as a base a term "outlet" is a gimmick used by the companies in attempts to procure the ridiculous payments for each additional device. I would reuse it, as anti-consumer methodology to milk money from technically weak people.

    I think it does come from ancient years when you must pay for each WATER outlet, ie pay for real stuff like water what is taking out of well/lake and transported to you (perhaps other analogy like passenger seat what you taken during transportation, etc).

    But it's totally BOGUS, by sending broadcast signal, to procure bearing "mirror" payment. Tell me about radio receivers. How the broadcasters miss the "opportunity" ?!
    Adding to that, R&D (who seen the number?!) of DVR technology paid already many times over when the "inventor" start pulling $5/m per each DVR last 10+ years (multiply the $5/m on millions of devices). Same would apply for the VJ fee. :(
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    My point was... IF a virtual Joey is going to cost me the same as an actual Joey... I would get an actual Joey. Why should I use my own equipment if it costs me the same? I would want an actual Joey so that I'm getting more for the money I'm paying.

    Dish is in a nice position here where they could choose to give something away to customers to get them on the system. How many people are likely to have multiple PS3s in the home? Even if some do... Dish still gets the money for having a Dish customer and possibly more money for a 2nd Hopper or a Super Joey... so it's a small thing to give them free use of a Virtual Joey.

    It's like their Dish Anywhere app... They could charge for it, but they don't. The app itself is only useful if you are a Dish subscriber, so if you like the app it helps to keep you with Dish and paying the other money. Dish could have charged a few dollars for the app but they saw it for what it was... something to "tie" a customer to their Dish account and keep them.

    That's what the Virtual Joey could be... a way to keep you with Dish because you can't do it with another provider... so you'll be more likely to stick with Dish... and yeah, I know it cost them money to develop the Virtual Joey. It costs them money to develop the iPad/iPhone apps that they give away too. It's a part of doing business and throwing a functional bone to customers that they like and one that keeps them as a Dish customer.

    It isn't evil of them to charge for the Virtual Joey... but I don't think it is smart in the larger scheme.
     
  8. damondlt

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    A joey would bring on a commitment correct?
    But the LG and ps3 app wouldn't. That along would be reason enough for me to use my own equipment.

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  9. P Smith

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    you are missed the point - it's a CLiENT of hopper
    kapich ? :)
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    My point wasn't lease vs own... that's a different ball of wax. A leased Joey costs the same as an owned Joey... and a Virtual Joey apparently also costs the same... so I would rather have a Joey (leased or owned) than a Virtual Joey if it is going to cost me the same per month.
     
  11. some guy

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    Why? You can turn off that VJ whenever you want. With a leased Joey, you have to send it back if you turn it off. If your network is good, you should notice no difference between real Joey and VJ. I guess I don't understand what extra you feel you get with a physical box, other than another device and more cables.

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  12. Stewart Vernon

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    How many people need/want to turn Joeys on and off on that kind of regular basis? I don't see that scenario materializing often enough to be a "feature".

    A Virtual Joey at best will do what a Joey does. I don't know if it is 100% as functional as a Joey, though, especially when you factor in the PS3/4 remote situation. But if I know going in that a Joey will cost me $7 per month and a Virtual Joey will also cost $7 per month... then I want a Joey. I'll let my PS3 remain a PS3 and not try to use it as a pseudo Dish receiver.

    The only motivation I would have to use a Virtual Joey and run my PS3 all day long would be if it saved me money per month. There's otherwise no incentive for me to do it.
     
  13. thomasjk

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    If you own a real Joey you activate/deactivate as needed. Can't do this with a leased Joey.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    Again, though, we aren't talking about owned vs leased.

    We are talking about using your PS3 vs using actual Joey hardware (whether you lease or own it).

    The merits of leasing vs owning an actual Joey are something for another thread.

    I just can't see a scenario where I personally would value a virtual Joey being worth $7 per month when I could have an actual Joey for that same monthly cost.
     
  15. P Smith

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    by the reasons above, it would be pretty obvious to expect a boycott of the VJ on PS3/4
     
  16. James Long

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    Can an existing customer call up and get another Joey sent to them for just $7 per month? Or would they need to pay for the upgrade or extend their commitment?

    That would be one reason to use a virtual Joey. Plus it is one less thing to wire in and switch on the TV. Leave the TV set to PS4/PS4 input and just watch TV when you're not gaming or otherwise using the PS3/PS4. One less thing to wire in is appealing.
     
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  17. damondlt

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    Exactly.

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  18. Stewart Vernon

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    I still say, and beating the horse firmly into the ground here, Dish is missing a golden opportunity to leverage PS3/PS4 owners into long-term Dish subscribers by giving away this app. Such customers still would have to sign up for Dish, have at least one Hopper... and probably would need/want Joeys for other rooms too. They already give away similar functionality through their Dish Anywhere mobile apps and Dish Online on the Web.

    Sure, they can charge for it... but if they gave it away, it's an option that DirecTV and cable users don't have right now... and if Dish could leverage that to gain more customers, that seems to me to be much more valuable than charging for it as an add-on for existing customers.
     
  19. lonerwulf

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    People should also be aware that the v Joey will not be serviced or installed in any way by any dish installer in fact I've been told to not even look in the direction of a v Joey so people should keep in mind that it's all on them in cars a problem arises
     
  20. damondlt

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    What needs to be serviced on a PS3 or an LG tv that anyone would ever expect from dish network?

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