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Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by joeyo720, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. levibluewa

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    last nights HD version of the Giants game was joined in progress about, about the 6th inning. I guess that's when transponder space became available. It was "scheduled" for the full game, but jip.
     
  2. redfiver

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    anyone have any anecdotal evidence on what percent of Giants games are in HD on Dish? I know that might be hard to quantify, but a general guess is great.
     
  3. Hoosier205

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    Two years. I canceled in June of 2008. My folks were customers for about six years...until they purchased their first HD display and saw just what Dish Network's HD-Lite consists of. The same goes for other family members and friends. What can I say? They all prefer quality.
     
  4. GrumpyBear

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    How is Direct a Proven Winner? Just because they Direct partnered with Tivo early to help them out, and keep up a huge marketing campaign?

    To bad you don't read the posts, in this thread or in many other threads on both the Dish and Direct side of the house, the vast majority of users that have had or have both, or that can see both on a regular basis, post and say they can't see much of a difference. So harp all you want over Dish's compression levels vs Direct, until Direct can prove to people or show to people that there is really a difference, its all just babble to make the geeks happy, with no Real World viewing difference. "If" Direct's picture quality was really better you would see on of those, Fake To tell the Truth ad's about it, to run against the Dish ad's asking people to take a look for themselves. Since you don't see on of those, not even DIRECT wants to point out that there compression level is better than Dish's in the Real World, as it isn't.

    You sink to the FUD level when you go to the TIVO patent point, when comparing new HD equipment as you should fully be aware, that the patent lawsuit has nothing to do with the ViP DVR's. Pretty much blow any and all of your credibilty when you stoop to FUD.

    So you stay with Direct, be proud that Direct has a math formula that fits your compression needs, but has no real world effect. Be happy with Fewer National HD channels, be happy with spending Hunderds of $$$ more for each of those sports packages. Be happy with inferior HD DVR's with workaround solutions, horrible guide that can't even give you the channels you get in a simple fashion, and missing all sorts DVR functions. That is perfect for you.
     
  5. GrumpyBear

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    Thats a good question. Maybe somebody like Phrelin can help, or maybe even a new thread, on the subject?. Only time I carry the Multi-sports package, and that would be the only time I would see Bay are RSN's is during college football season. The Rolling RSN space has never been a problem during college football, even when a game runs long.
     
  6. Lazy Senior

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    This simply is NOT true. Within the last few months I had a Directv HR-23 and a Dish 722 side by side, both connected via HDMI to a 46 inch Samsung 120hz LCD. After a month of A/B switching and comparing I could NOT tell you at any given moment which service I was watching. On HD I could not tell the difference between Direct or Dish. Real world watching there is NO difference.

    I realize some here evangelize their experience with Directv or Dish. I am not one of them. It is ONLY TV to me not a religion. In 15 years I have had both services at many different times. There are many differences between them but right now there is NO difference in HD picture quality that you can actually see on a television............

    Lazy S.
     
  7. phrelin

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    Well, I suppose if you have a 108" TV, and you stand a couple feet away you might be able to see the difference. But then if you have that much money why would you watch anything that isn't 1080p, meaning Blu-ray - no cable, satellite or OTA?
     
  8. Hoosier205

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    Yikes...this one is so easy I almost feel bad. Customers, awards, finances, business associations...you name it. Dish Network sits comfortably in second place for all eternity. Heck, Dish Network recently tried to give their service away for free and couldn't even manage to do that.

    The facts speak for themselves. Dish Network delivers a crippled version of HD. If some folks have physical, psychological, or technological reasons for not seeing the difference...so be it. The difference is real and tangible. It is there for anyone to see. It is not at all surprising that many defend a decision that have been wrong, rather than owning up to it.

    :rolleyes: I wasn't aware that another decision had been rendered since last month. You may want to do your own homework, rather than taking what you've been fed here. Thus far, the changes made have not been found to be sufficient.

    Oh it has a real world effect...you just haven't noticed it. Fewer national HD channels? We have more coming on the 30th and even more coming throughout the year. The pool of available HD is shrinking a bit more day by day. Soon enough, we will all have the same channels...just with different levels of picture quality. Yes, I am very happy with having the ability to pay for sports packages you don't even have access to. By the way, my guide shows me exactly which channels I get and in a very simple fashion. Missing all sorts of DVR functions? That's funny, I cannot think of a single one I don't have that I would even need or want.
     
  9. redfiver

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    I have one other question about switching to Dish from DirecTV.

    Is there any option on Dish to have HD only stations? To not even get SD channels? I don't think this is possible looking at the DISH site and from posts on here, but just wanted to make sure. I'd be all over a HD only package as I only have HD tvs in the house now.
     
  10. Hoosier205

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    No, it is true. Facts are facts. Just because you don't notice a difference, doesn't mean there isn't one.
     
  11. RasputinAXP

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    Sort of. Dish America exists, but you get shorted on some things because of archaic package requirements and you'll still get whatever non-HD small locals in SD.
     
  12. peano

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    Who has done a bitrate comparison between Directv and Dish lately? If Dish is so horribly compressed, I guess they have better Broadcom chips in their receivers to make up the difference. Certainly they have better processors and memory than the HRs so that makes sense.

    Believe me, I can tell the difference in HD PQ. Take a look at Bell TV if you want to see truly over-compressed crap. But I digress.

    As I said before, on my Pioneer Elite 60" it is pretty easy to see differences in PQ. I have excellent visual acuity and the differences are subtle or non-existant between Dish and Directv.
     
  13. phrelin

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    Apparently you can still get the Dish America packages, but right now I can't find any info on them on the Dish web site as the site is being revised. They really aren't that appealing because of the limited channels available, but they are cheap. One on line dealer shows them this morning here. I don't know anything about the dealer.
     
  14. levibluewa

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    has anyone noticed the freezing picture glitches the last week or so on FSN. I'd guess its happening about 4-5 times an hour. Gee, Directv couldn't have macro-blocking...I just know that would never happen :)

    I'm speculating that it has to do with putting everything on the new sat, but...
     
  15. GrumpyBear

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    If Dish's Signal was so crippled Direct would be all over it, Direct isn't.

    Awards? Name a Direct DVR(not a TiVo)that has ever won an award other than being the slowest? Only hardware I have seen an award for Direct is the AM21, that Direct cripples by not allowing you to record both OTA signals.

    Direct had to cancel one of its own to tell the truth adds, as the company they used as a reference company gave Dish the #1 rating over Direct.

    Please show ANY evidence that the ViP line of DVR's has anything to do with the Tivo Lawsuit. Older Mpeg2 and most SD DVR's yes, but please show some proof that the current HD ViP series are involved.

    Both have really good partners, both have multiple awards for lots of things, Direct just miss's the boat on Hardware. Granted Direct see's the problem with thier DVR's and is trying to repartner up with sinking TiVo, to make sure they have a DVR model that can compete.

    Please stay with Direct. Not trying to convience you to change.
    You fail to point out all the missing hardware and missing feature sets in the Direct DVR's. Granted you may not want them, lots of others do, all you have to do is read the long HR DVR wish list. You sound like one of those Direct users, Direct doesn't have it or Direct took it away so we don't need it, and then when Direct comes out with a work around praise the work around as being great. Going over the HR Wish list you will find lots of the features,are already on ViP DVR's.

    You fail to prove in anyway shape or form for those that view Direct and Dish at the sametime there is a quality difference. Yes you believe, and you say you can see, thats great, most can't and in threads on both sides users coming from one to the other, the vast majority are in agreement, the PQ is the same. Bigger differences come from different HD channels.

    Finances, both have been up and down, both swing the numbers anyway they can. Both are doing well, not great, but well, and both have the same 2 star rating for being a buying stock. So sorry no big difference.

    The "ablility" to pay for the extra sports is great, hats off to Direct for that. Direct people always, like you always point out the extra sports, but always leave off, it comes with a PRICE TAG $$$$.
    Direct is NOT adding 30 new National HD channels. 30 new HD channels, but subtract the 8 PPV/VOD channels, and the RSN's and Direct is adding fewer than 20 National HD channels
     
  16. James Long

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    So your first hand experience with DISH is at least two years old. That adds perspective.
    As stated, some notice a difference without looking. :)

    I know you didn't miss the recent customer service award DISH won over DirecTV. Perhaps you blocked it out? DISH is also the fastest growing provider. And they are the FIRST and ONLY provider to provide local-into-local service into every television market. Shall I go on?

    Perhaps you can show where any ViP model has any legal action pending against it? As those who actually know and follow the case know, the case is against eight named receiver models. Some of them have been discontinued over the course of the case. Nothing has been done in court that would affect the ViP models.

    The "more coming" will still be 20 real channels shy of what DISH provides today. DirecTV capacity beyond the "30" currently being added is limited. 20 more later this year will take half of their remaining capacity. 3D will take some of that remaining capacity. When is DirecTV's next satellite launch?

    BTW: DISH has more HD coming too.

    I won't hold your lack of knowledge about DISH products against you. :D
     
  17. GrumpyBear

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    I noticed that link you posted in the other thread. Its an interesting list, but at the cost of Gold level, you still seem to be missing to many of the HD Nationals you can get in 250 HD package, add $10 for Platinum, and you get a bigger bang per $. Maybe easier for Redfiver to know that with just to press's of the guide button, you would have the guide set to All HD channels he subscribed to. No special list needed, and he wouldn't have to see any of the SD channels.
     
  18. sigma1914

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    You guys sound like kids arguing who's Dad can beat up other Dads. :lol:

    Advice to those trying to decide which sat company you want:
    - Decide what channels you must have.
    - Decide what DVR features you must have.
    - Do research.
    - Make a choice.
    - Enjoy TV.
     
  19. GrumpyBear

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    One of the soundest advice posts of all time.
     
  20. James Long

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    Agreed. Both companies have their problems. Both have successes.
    Pick one (or both)!
     

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