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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Davenlr

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    Really. And with the economy the way it is, and the fact that most of the audience were in their 20's, its not hard to guess most probably had to go out of their way to afford taking the family to the movie, and may not have had the resources to hire a babysitter.
     
  2. veryoldschool

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    I doubt you're going to have much luck.

    This is in a OT forum, and seems to have wandered off on various tangents from the tragedy that happened.
     
  3. BattleScott

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    Almost a +1. But the how's are meaningless. Until we start to truly address the why's these kind of tragedies will continue. The methods used are irrelevant and only distract focus from where it should be, finding the reasons this individual made it this far without someone helping him.
     
  4. armophob

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    In my eyes it is not about the bonding moment or child rearing issues, it is about common courtesy to other patrons. This was the midnight first showing, and some of these people paid upwards of $300 for scalped tickets. There is a report "The youngest of the injured, a 4-month-old boy". So on top of a possible crying six year old, another person brought a baby into the theater which, I think is a 100% possibility, will start crying at some point during the 2 1/2 hour movie.

    Never mind bad parents, it is arrogant selfish ones that irritate me.
     
  5. armophob

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    Then they should not go. Parenting requires sacrifice. A theater is not a daycare. Buy the DVD.
     
  6. Sharkie_Fan

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    FIFY.

    I've been plenty of places where the adults were far more annoying than any children in the area, and it annoys me to no end when people constantly point out how kids are ruining their experience. :sure: Sure there's kids like that (my nephew happens to be one, much to my chagrin). But they're generally in equal proportion to the number of annoying adults who ruin whatever situation.

    With that out of the way.... I would never have taken our 6 year old to a midnight showing of a movie. He's 9 now and I wouldn't take him to a midnight showing of a movie.

    However, I don't see any problem with taking the infant... depending on the child, of course. Our youngest, when he was an infant, napped every day between 5:30 and 7:00, or thereabouts. So we went to church on Saturday nights. He'd fall asleep just as church was starting and he wouldn't wake up until we were done and getting into the car. It didn't matter what was going on around him, if he was in mom or dad's arms, he'd sleep through anything.

    If I were so inclined to see a midnight showing, and I was confident that my infant was going to sleep through the movie, I'd go in a heartbeat. Of course, just in case, we'd be on the end of a row near an exit so that if we were wrong, any interruption would be minor. No more intrusive than the guy behind you choking on his popcorn or the gal in front of you sneezing in the middle of some important dialogue, or the guy in the back row laughing a little too long and a little too loud.
     
  7. Rich

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    The Supreme Court changed the meaning of the Second Amendment in the case of The District of Columbia vs Heller in 2008. No, it has not been physically changed but reinterpreted by the court. Again, semantics.

    Rich
     
  8. Rich

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    I suppose, can't imagine why.

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  9. Rich

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    I could not live like that and wouldn't want to. But I can understand man's will to live overcoming that. For a while.

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  10. Rich

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    That's always been my greatest fear. I know this sounds like I'm waffling on this. Given a chance to make a ruling on my own on the subject, I'd be tempted to do away with it just on the chance that an innocent person was sentenced to death.

    Let me give you an example: About 20 years ago, we had our son in a nearby day care center and my wife was in the process of dropping him off when she found a child in the bushes by the entryway. The child and her mother had been abducted by a guy in a nearby shopping center. The mother talked the guy into dropping the child off and left with him. She was raped and killed and left in a small creek or culvert (don't remember which). The police quickly found the guy, and he's now in prison for the rest of his life.

    In that case there was no doubt and the guy actually confessed to killing the mother. Didn't confess in court, but to the cops. How he made it to court has always amazed me and most of the cops I know. That's what the death penalty is for in my mind. Here in NJ, we see innocent people being released from jail because of DNA testing and I agree with that.

    As you can see from what I've written, I'm conflicted about this and have always been. The guy who did the shooting in the movie house fits my idea of who should be put to death. As long as there is absolutely no doubt that a person has killed another person, I'm all for the death penalty.

    I really don't know how else to explain my feelings about the death penalty.

    Rich
     
  11. MysteryMan

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    +1......That's what I was trying to relate in my post. I remember awhile back CNN reported on a young child's death caused by a drive by shooting. The shooting took place in the wee hours of the morning. The child was allowed to stay up that late to play on the computer in the living room, causing him to be in the line of fire. Had the child been in his room sleeping he would be alive today.
     
  12. Davenlr

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    And we had one a couple weeks ago where the child was in bed sleeping, and the bullet went through the wall and killed her in her bed...if she had been awake and in the other room, she would be alive :)
     
  13. MysteryMan

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    Guess your of the school that thinks there's nothing wrong with keeping todlers and young children up till the wee hours of the night. :sure:
     
  14. armophob

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    I agree with all of your thoughts up to this point. That is the reason it would take an act of congress to drag me into a theater these days. I have had my fill of bad experiences and that was long before the invent of cell phones. I can't even imagine the ill behavior these days.

    But in the eye's of a parent every child is well behaved. Even your comments, that you would remove a crying baby from the rear of a crowded theater, means that for moments, viewers of the movie would have to wait for that to happen. Why would you introduce that into a situation where you know it is possible? That makes you the same as the person who does not turn off the ringer on the cell phone.
     
  15. Davenlr

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    The only way there could be no doubt, would be if the killer confessed, or was apprehended by police (like in Aurora) in the commission of the act. Anything that brings a civilian into the picture (lineup, eyewitness, expert opinion, etc) is, no matter how credible, subject to error.

    As long as one of the 10 commandments says "Thou shalt not kill", we should not have a death penalty. Just my 2 cents...
     
  16. sigma1914

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    There's another school that says don't tell others how to raise their kids.
     
  17. James Long

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    Random acts of violence are just too random. :(
    Fortunately they are also rare.
     
  18. armophob

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    I will stow my commandments if you will.

    Eye for an eye
     
  19. Davenlr

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    I am of the school that does not believe in telling other people how to raise their child. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  20. klang

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    Bingo! This was exactly my thoughts when I first read that a three month old was in attendance. I quit going to theaters years ago but I was shocked to read here and other places that this is now considered acceptable. I read elsewhere that some theaters have actually added 'crying rooms'.

    And don't get me started on infants on airplanes...... :)
     

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