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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    Right, but as I think you rightfully state in the first post, it falls to accountability.

    A young child that falls to their death from a screenless window in not the childs fault.

    But we as a society have the right to wag our finger at the parent that did not replace the screen
     
  2. SayWhat?

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    But becoming increasingly less.




    (Let the grammatimaticians haggle over that one).
     
  3. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    True, but really, with all our crap made in China now, you would be hard pressed to find a screen that would keep a fly from getting in, let alone a child from falling out :)
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    "Many" but not all of them have kids... and none of them talked to the kids they are asserting shouldn't have been in the theater, in part because of the unfortunate deaths... I say again, no professional would assert any kind of psychological diagnosis without having at least talked once to the person they are diagnosing.

    Their 6 year old might very well be more mentally mature than your 16 year old. Clearly the 20+ year old shooter in this case wasn't mentally capable of handling things, but yet he bought a ticket no question and nobody is asking why he was allowed in a theater. Instead, some are questioning the kids' parents about being in the movie? That's not right.

    Multiple answers. They need as many security guards as they need. If the building were designed better, perhaps multiple exits could be watched from a single location and not require a guard posted at each exit.

    I still maintain, though... when people say "nothing could have prevented this"... that absolutely a guard posted on the exit likely would have prevented this from happening in this specific case... and that would have been worth the money for that guard. Ask anyone there if they think it would have been worth the money.

    As for guards not doing their job... well, fire that guard and replace him. You can't argue rent-a-cops are useless and still pay them to be on the job. Most people run the risk of losing their job if they don't perform... Hire people that are diligent, weed out the ones that aren't. That's probably the simplest part.

    Otherwise you might as well argue the same think about air marshalls, banks, and any other place where you might find security...

    And it still has nothing to do with the situation. Whether you and I agree on parenting critiques or not... it has zero to do with the shooting.

    Yep... and women should be in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant too... if a woman steps outside she is "asking for" something bad to happen.

    Archaic notions are all over the place... doesn't mean we have to go along with those incorrect assertions.

    Sure they can... Patriot act... also warrantless phone taps since Bush #2 are legal, but even before that you can bet it happened.

    They have monitoring equipment installed at ISPs around the country to monitor and look for keywords. This is part of how they claim we are being protected against terrorism... the random monitoring looks for certain keywords... then spits results out and notifies someone if flags pop.

    I may not like it... but arguably it can stop some things before they happen.

    They don't need a search warrant to watch a guy who buys a lot of ammunition. Those random filters should have caught a pattern (or they are worthless) and then you watch the guy to see what he does.

    Well... this movie theater was public... all security guards would have to do is detain the guy who tried to prop up the exit door and bring stuff back in... then they would have questioned him and found the stash of weapons outside... then they would have searched his home... and people might not have died.

    Except... the Patriot Act allows them to do a lot of things that they want to do anyway. Again, they are monitoring communications (not searching specific people)... it's like security at the airport, it is only discrimination if they have different rules for people... scan everyone and it is legal.

    They are monitoring the internet... not you or I specifically... just the internet, which was created by our government if you don't recall... and if stuff pops up in those filters it is supposed to notify and alert people to then dig further and check someone out.

    This guy should have popped for his pattern of purchases online.

    I thought about his posts too... I didn't want to drag him back into that fray again, but I was having deja vu.

    Exactly my point. Thank you for getting it!

    True... but people are asserting that security is not worth it and "nobody could have prevented this" even with the notion of having guards at the theater... so if a security guard right there in the moment can't be expected to stop this, and according to some "nobody could have predicted this" from the guy's online weapons purchases... how on earth are they going to figure out what childhood thing turned him?

    Hindsight is 20/20... and things like that just shouldn't be linked. Maybe if the grandparents had been more successful, then the parents would have a better lifestyle and not live in that neighborhood where their kid got shot. So maybe it is grandpa's fault! :rolleyes:
     
  5. RunnerFL

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    DNA match = No doubt

    The bible also says "an eye for an eye" so it contradicts itself.
     
  6. RunnerFL

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    +10000000000000000000000000
     
  7. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    I've had far more movies ruined by "adults" (talking, texting, cell phones, etc) than I ever have by children.
     
  8. MysteryMan

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    That's why I built my Home Theater Room.
     
  9. klang

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    Thus I don't do theaters any more. Now, apparently, add infants to the mix.

    I too have a theater room at home so we can watch without distractions.
     
  10. dpeters11

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    The closest IMAX to me, they ruin it for you. The theater can't handle the sound, so you get a loud vibration. I'd thought thy surely would have fixed it by now, as I talked to the manager about it the last time I was in that theater, for Tron. Nope, still there and still loud.
     
  11. Davenlr

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    Well, lack of a suspects DNA at a murder scene might exonerate them from suspect status, but I dont see how presence of DNA would do anything except prove the suspect was there. Still could have been someone else that committed the crime.

    Probably more useful in a rape case than a murder case.
     
  12. dpeters11

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    Not to get into the discussion too much, but going from the Old Testament, there are quite a few things that involve the death penalty, some of which are not even thought of as issues now.
     
  13. SayWhat?

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    And it doesn't prove WHEN they were there.
     
  14. Davenlr

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    The 10 commandments are like the constitution. The rest of the bible (not written by God) would be subject to being overridden by the 10 commandments.

    I would have to go back and read the context of that "Eye for an eye" bit. I cant remember who said (wrote) that and what context it was being used in. It also tells you to "take the rod" to your child, but now they would put you in jail for that :)
     
  15. James Long

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    There was a time when people would have said the same thing about eye witness testimony. Technology has come a long way over the years ... I wonder if in a couple of decades people will be discussing how people used to rely on DNA and how many false convictions it led to?

    (BTW: The false convictions being overturned by today's technology were not considered false at the time the people were convicted.)

    We are in a kinder, gentler era. Attitudes change.
     
  16. SayWhat?

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    The 10 commandments are like the constitution.

    Except that one is a legally binding document and the other is a story outline.

    But that's not really a DBSTalk issue.
     
  17. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that's why I spent money on a good setup and just wait for movies to come out on Blu-Ray.
     
  18. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    It all depends on where the DNA was found. If it's on the victim that's pretty much undeniable evidence.
     
  19. SayWhat?

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    Something to think about.

    We've seen the chaos created by single incidents like things a number of times and the number of resources expended.

    Imagine the chaos that would surround multiple synchronized incidents in a dozen or more cities scattered all over the country. One or two gunmen in each city all striking general targets like malls or parks. Pick smaller cities in the range of 100,000 population that would be less likely to have the resources locally.

    The country would be on near lockdown for days.
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    Sure it does, the "freshness" of the DNA can be determined.
     

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