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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    We used to shrug it off, but we as a society flinched once, and now the crazy's got us by the short hairs
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I'm not sure what you're saying.

    To some extent I agree, we are losing if we haven't lost already... but to admit that (as you did) means to accept the reality that the world is dangerous and that you should be prepared for that.

    So... your choice is either lock yourself in your house and cower and wait... or beef up security and go on with your life. That's what you do when you admit the world is different and dangerous.
     
  3. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    So now it's not that the 6-year-old could be traumatized, or that it's potentially inconvenient to other moviegoers, but it's the time of day that they view the movie.

    Give me a break. Your position is slipping.
     
  4. MysteryMan

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    Guess you've never heard of the biological clock. We've been programmed by nature for sleep at that time of day.
     
  5. James Long

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    Guess you never heard of 3rd shift? When my father was working third shift my mom would send him off to work then clean house after he left. This started around midnight. It didn't bother me ... I'll still stay up past 3am or 4am. The only problem being "the man" wanting me at work by 8am. (For many years I also had one of those 3rd shift jobs ... I slept during 1st shift.)

    It is interesting to see energy drinks marketed to combat "that 2:30 feeling" ... when people doze off or become less productive. They are not referring to 2:30 am. :)

    "Nature's programming" is not absolute. Some of us are better suited for being awake at night.
     
  6. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Stay at home AND take the kids? Are you staying or going? Take the kids to a matinee AND find a sitter? Are you taking a babysitter to the movie?
     
  7. BattleScott

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    This attack (and all others like it) are pre-meditated and planned to exacting detail. If there were a few security guards in the theater, they likely would have just been shot first. If there were several guards, maybe he chooses another venue.

    The point is, we are wasting our time trying to figure out how to prevent these things using laws and safeguards. The only way we can prevent any of them is to figure out how to better recognize and treat the trouble signs at younger ages. These types of horrorific tradgedies are NEVER the first sign.
     
  8. MysteryMan

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    Of course I've heard of the graveyard shifts. The majority of my combat missions in Nam and Iraq took place during the wee hours. When I drove over the road some of my load assignments dictated over night driving. Doesn't negate our biological clocks. The majority of humans are programmed by nature for sleep during those hours. The minority are a exception. On the lighter side if sleep is so good for us why do we look like hell when we wake up? :)
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    BS. Numerous parents I know ALL are in agreement with me on this. Even numerous experts have said the same thing. It was just plain stupid to drag a 3-month-old child to a midnight showing of a movie.
     
  10. runner861

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    And also totally irrelevant to the mass murder that took place.
     
  11. runner861

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    What would the security guards or police have even arrested the guy for until he started shooting? As far as I know, everything this guy did was legal until he started shooting. Perhaps I can be educated as to this point.
     
  12. SayWhat?

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    For one, Rent-a-cops could have detained him for unauthorized access for using the back door.


    (See, no need to include the full post quoted)
     
  13. cj9788

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    James Holmes faces judge for first time in wake of Aurora, Colo., movie theater mass shooting.

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    This is what should be talked about. The only villain here is Holmes, he is the one did evil.
     
  14. runner861

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    Very clean way to post. I thought about the situation with the door, but I don't see any significant action being taken by a security guard for that violation. It is not clear that opening the back door is a crime. But the security guard could have closed the door.
     
  15. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Good Lord, I wish you hadn't published that photo. No need to repeat his name, either.
     
  16. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    Hey, its sideshow Bob
     
  17. RunnerFL

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    I watched the courtroom video. He seemed like he had been drugged for his appearance.
     
  18. BattleScott

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    This also makes the assumption that he wouldn't have planned things differently if the theaters had security guards at exit doors.
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    You must realize that your statement here uses circular and self-conflicting logic... right?

    We are "wasting our time" trying to figure out "how to prevent" such incidents... but we "can prevent" them if we figure out how to "better recognize and treat the trouble"?

    Think about what you said there for a moment.

    We can't prevent it in advance, but we can prevent it in advance? There is no way to predict when someone like this will do it just before he does it but somehow YEARS earlier we can prevent it be looking for signs?

    My point has always been... why don't some actions send up red flags? And why didn't anyone notice?

    IF you think a red flag should be a kid who doesn't treat animals well (a common thing in some serial killers' backgrounds)... then why wouldn't purchasing riot gear, weapons, and 6000 rounds of ammunition in the span of a couple of months be a red flag?

    If instead of being named James Holmes, this guy had some arabic/foreign sounding name, you can bet his purchases would have been questioned. My point is, someone should have noticed. I'm not blaming anyone in particular... but since he wasn't living in a bubble, someone should have raised an eyebrow.

    And whether or not I agree with you... it has ZERO to do with what happened. The kid wasn't traumatized by the movie... survivors were traumatized by a crazy guy, and others were killed... the movie had very little to do with that.

    Who says they had to arrest him? They wouldn't have let him prop the door open... they could have watched him go to his car... IF he still returned with weapons, someone would have seen it and be able to warn people and stop him from getting inside.

    I grant you that people can't be arrested until they do something illegal... but please, the notion that nothing at all can be done to deter.

    Do you lock your doors on your car and home? Do you have a home security system? Why? It isn't illegal until someone breaks in your home... if they want to get in, they will... so why are you bothering with security that you're arguing can't possibly work on someone who hasn't yet done anything illegal?

    But now you're arguing a non-winnable scenario. Of course he would change his plans... or maybe not try at all... but if you're sole argument against trying to be more secure is that the bad guys will try harder... then let's just stop right now.

    Open your doors and windows, put out a sign that says "come in and take my stuff" and wait. I mean, if anything you do to prevent crime will just make the criminal change his plans and do it anyway... why fight the inevitable? It's easier to be lazy and sit around waiting for the crime to happen than to even consider trying to prevent it.
     
  20. runner861

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    I will say that I agree wholeheartedly with you that something has to be done. These mass shootings continue to occur, and many other murders committed with guns that receive no publicity. I don't mean to imply that nothing should be or can be done. But I have seen a lot of shootings and a lot of violence in my lifetime, and I have yet to see much be done about it. Talk to people at work. Even at work, where you might think that people in the same job might share a similar perspective about the world, there is little agreement about what should be done. Americans seem to just be content to live with this level of violence.

    But I agree with the basic premises of your posts, and I don't mean to imply otherwise.
     

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