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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    So why wouldn't other areas where people gather for entertainment also be potential targets (as evidenced by this unfortunate tragedy) that also need security?

    How much are you planning on paying the security guards? Would you or would you not be willing to pay an extra dollar to cover security guards?

    People pay $3+ for a coke that is worth probably a quarter at a movie theater... several dollars for 50 cents worth of candy... and several dollars for pennies worth of popcorn!

    But you don't think the cost of security could be absorbed?

    That was part of my point... I don't blame the theater for not having security... this kind of thing isn't expected... but the next time it happens, you can't say it couldn't have been suspected. Just like efforts taken after 9/11 to prevent hijackings... why wouldn't you want to prevent this kind of event?

    Malls have security guards... so do sporting events and stadiums. Restaurants like Dennys that are open 24 hours have security late night... I've seen security in Lowes grocery stores and 24 hour Wal-Marts too!

    So... why can't the movie theater invest in a security guard?
     
  2. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    wait what? why? for him? for us ? for who? I am confused as you can tell
     
  3. AntAltMike

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    College...
    I don't think parents should be allowed to bring their screaming kids to McDonald's, either.
     
  4. SayWhat?

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    Potential copycat?


    http://www.9news.com/news/world/279...ne-man-arrested-says-attended-Batman-with-gun
     
  5. RunnerFL

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  6. trh

    trh This Space for Sale

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    "State Police say that during routine questioning at the stop, Courtois threw some red flags in his behavior."

    I'm sure his doing 112mph on the highway and carrying an AK47 and four handguns made this stop anything but routine.
     
  7. SayWhat?

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    Two other incidents also:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...-during-dark-knight-screening-police-say.html

    http://www.svherald.com/content/breaking-news/2012/07/20/276463


    Has a movie ever been pulled out of circulation before over this kind of thing?
     
  8. Chris Blount

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    After discussion behind the scenes and through PM's sent to me, in the interest of fairness, I have restored the picture.

    Basically if you don't like it, don't look at it.

    While we obviously don't want to promote this sensless act of violence, healthy discussion is a good thing. Let's just keep things sensible and respectful of each others feelings.

    Thanks!
     
  9. MysteryMan

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    :up:
     
  10. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    Bravo! Thank you Chris. None of us are promoting him at all...

    And not to nitpick but my post that contained the pic is still censored:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=3062522#post3062522

    Thanks again!
     
  11. Chris Blount

    Chris Blount Creator of DBSTalk Staff Member Administrator DBSTalk Gold Club

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    The photo is already displayed one post above yours. No point in repeating it. It should also be noted that the photo is being linked from another site.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    I really hate to say it... but these things seem to inspire other things. I wouldn't think they should even consider pulling the movie. The movie has very little to do with this, in the sense of inspiring the violence I mean... but I can guarantee movie studios and major theater owners are discussing what they can do and invest in to promote security and safety at their theaters before the movie going public starts deciding to stay home.

    I'll repeat myself... they can't afford not to think about security.

    Also... good to see some police picking up on red flags and actually catching some people before they do anything. Some would say they couldn't have done what they obviously just did. Kudos to those officers.
     
  13. SayWhat?

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    The only winners in this will be the security contractors and the gun merchants. Word is, permit applications are up over 40% in Colorado.
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    Expensive events have security guards at every entrance--Sporting events, airports, etc.

    But if you are talking about "mall" level of security, basically one or two rent-a-cops, then yes; some theaters can afford that. Of course one or two guards would have done nothing in this instance. I was thinking you meant real security with every entrance (and exit) guarded. You know, real security. And real cost that can't be absorbed by just a buck on every ticket. (And tell that to the $2 movie theatres. "It's just one dollar more--" on a $2 ticket.)

    My point is there is no way to secure all the gathering places all the time. Some nut will think of yet another place to hit someday.

    Peace,
    Tom
     
  15. BattleScott

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    So will you still go to the theater when you have to go through a TSA line to get in?

    If not, how far are you willing to go?
    Random searches?
    Pat downs?
    Wanding?

    Will you take your kids to those theaters when they are guarded by armed officers (or flunkies that couldn't be officers)?
    Will you let your teenagers go by themselves?

    I suspect that you're right, they may well invest in a few minimum wage mall cops to stand by the doors in their theaters now to soothe your fears and help you believe you are somehow safer so that you'll keep coming back. But "security guards" won't stop the next attack. Had there been guards in that theater on that night, they would very likely just be part of the horrible statistics.

    I'll bet there were guards (maybe even armed) in the Oklahoma City federal building.
     
  16. James Long

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    It depends on where they were. If they were focused on the major event of the moment they should have been watching that theater for people sneaking in. If there was another showing (of any movie) in another theater later on they could move on to watch the next one for people trying to rip off the theater. Watching the doors is just basic revenue protection.

    This was not a $2 movie - $2 movies do not have the same level of issues with people sneaking in.

    In 1995? That building was probably only staffed at the "mall cop" level. Security was pretty lax back in the good old days before terrorists struck on American soil.
     
  17. RunnerFL

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  18. BattleScott

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    Even in 1995, i'll guarantee you there was more "security" than you will ever see at any movie theater. But that's not really even the point, the building could have been equipped with metal detectors, x-ray machines, full body scanners and teams of navy seals at every entrance and it would not have mattered when that bomb went off.

    The real question is "are you prepared to live with a level of public security enforcement that would have any practical effect on events like what took place at that theater?" I know I'm not...
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    Of course I would prefer real security... but you have to start somewhere. I also still maintain that the poor opinion of "mall" security is as much the fault of the people who hire them as it is their poor effort. IF they don't do a good job, replace them with someone who will do a better job and take the job seriously.

    Actually... in this specific case, they would have. The guy exits the back door in the dark (after midnight) and props the door open to come back after retrieving his stash. A guard watching the exit absolutely would have been a hindrance to that door prop to the unarmed guy at that point... and could have seen him returning with weapons and called for help and possibly prevented the guy from getting back inside the theater.

    Well, like I said I would prefer real security... but they could start somewhere. I'd have to crunch the numbers to see what the real cost might be to fund appropriate security.

    Those theaters still sell the way overpriced concessions too don't they? I'm sure there's room in that overpricing to fund some security. IF they don't, and people start thinking twice about going to a movie theater... how much will they lose by people not attending vs what they'd have to spend on security?

    Well, yeah... but does that mean you just give up now? As I alluded to in another post... there'd be no way to secure everyone's homes from a home invasion... so why bother with security systems and locks on the doors/windows? Nothing will prevent all the possible ways a person can break in... and yet people spend millions to secure such places.

    I'm the wrong person to ask... because it has been 15 or more years since I have been inside a movie theater. I'm not a fan of crowds, the seats aren't comfortable, the food/drink is overpriced... and I can do it all in my home nowadays between satellite and my Blu-ray player.

    Would you rather suffer those OR a guy who comes in and shoots at people?

    As annoying as the patdowns and such are... they are far less annoying than the results of the tragedy we are talking about here.

    Would you take kids or allow kids to go to a theater that has no security after this weekend and hearing of at least one copycat possibly thwarted?

    So what is your answer? Do nothing... pretend this doesn't happen... and do nothing to improve the safety of people at such places? How is that logical?

    I'm not saying we have to be paranoid all the time... but you know... I lock my doors when I leave the house... I lock my car when I park somewhere... I do look both ways before crossing the street... and lots of other safety related things even though I have not been robbed or had a car broken into... I realize it is possible, so it pays to be as vigilant as I can.

    I wouldn't... not back then... given the time of day too... I bet that same building today would have guards, though.
     
  20. SayWhat?

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    I started a post on Federal building security, but deleted it since it focused on Federal Courthouses which this building did not contain. All Federal buildings had security due to a number of previous threats and incidents.

    Within an hour of news of the blast reaching us, all vehicles were cleared from the perimeter of our Courthouse that couldn't be identified as belonging to Federal personnel. Barricades were set up and streets adjacent to the Courthouse were closed for several weeks.
     

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