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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. runner861

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    Try reading a newspaper. Follow the legislation that they have lobbied for state by state. Do any of the CCW must carry laws they have advocated require training before issuance of the CCW? What areas have they sought to have carriage of firearms restricted? They have advocated that students on college campuses carry guns, that elementary school teachers carry guns. They have never advocated that training be required before purchasing or carrying a gun. They have opposed every restriction on gun ownership. They opposed renewal of the assault gun ban. They opposed microstamping on guns to identify the gun via a recovered casing at a crime scene in California. They opposed the ban of the 50-caliber firearm and ammunition in California. Do you really need me to keep going?
     
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    I would be interested to know your law enforcement experience. I understand you were a COP at one time.
     
  3. MysteryMan

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    Many states have done that for decades. I'm originally from Connecticut. When I applied for my local permit to carry before it was issued a background check was performed and I had to pass a written test and qualify on a shooting range and that was over forty years ago. Your recertification idea would be better applied with renewing a drivers liscense. More people are injured or killed by cars than guns.
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    If the roads are unsafe, I can stay off the roads. I can't completely avoid people... and if people get concealed weapon permits, I won't even know which ones to avoid!

    So I would like to feel more confident that the people getting the permits are qualified.

    I can't do much about criminals who will break the law... but it would be nice if we didn't add to the danger by having just anybody running around with a gun.

    I'm sure even the most "yay guns" person knows at least one or two people he would rather not see owning a gun because he knows that person can't handle it.

    I don't disagree about driving though... there are a lot of people out on the road making things a lot more dangerous than things have to be. So, imagine the unqualified driver is now also an unqualified gun owner too!
     
  5. MysteryMan

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    The only way to do that would be like the concept in the movie "Minority Report". Our judical system is a joke. Our country is infected with repeat offenders, aka career criminals. They go through the judical and prison system like a revolving door. Fact, the countries with the harshest judical systems have the lowest crime rates. Make the punishment so unbearable you dare not commit the offense. A simple example would be speeding. We witness it every day when we are driving. Why? Because the punishment isn't tough enough. If people were to be fined $100.00 for every mile they go over the limit and double that for repeat offenders I guarantee we would see a dramatic drop in speeding violations. We need to do away with parole. Make them serve every minute of their sentence. And take away their civil rights while they're serving their sentence and only give them human rights. The French had the right idea with repeat offenders. It was called Devil's Island. Now don't get me wrong, I don't advocate the brutality that was applied there, just the concept. First you serve every minute of your sentence inside the prison. Then you live out the rest of your life outside the prison in a colony. As for the death sentence I'm all for it. Those who are on death row should have their sentence carried out every Friday the 13th! That will give their lawyers enough time to prove their innocence. It's a pity they retired the electric chair but in today's enconomy and green thinking it's better to use rope. It's reusable and biodegradable. ;)
     
  6. MysteryMan

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    No, you've proven you skill of making a long story longer. On the other hand get a copy of The American Rifleman. Each month it posts articles from newspapers accross the land reporting about law abiding citizens who successfully defended themselves and their families using handguns or rifles they legally own against criminals who confronted them.
     
  7. MysteryMan

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    If that 16 year old remains on private property then yes it's ok for him to drive. ;)
     
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    What does this have to do with the comment? There are other, more reliable sources. Why has the NRA lobbied to exempt its organization from the requirement to disclose its financial support of political advertising?
     
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    What law or laws are you relying on to say that? Each state sets up its own driving requirements, subject to heavy federal influence.
     
  10. MysteryMan

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    Whether it's legal or not it's done every day on farms and ranches accross the land.
     
  11. MysteryMan

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    And why have anti gunners lobbied for useless gun control laws for decades?
     
  12. sigma1914

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    Because not all gun control laws are useless.
     
  13. BattleScott

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    OK, I would defintiely agree with that, but it reads as a pretty direct statement of fact that our gun laws are THE loosest and our gun homicide rate is THE highest. I'm not sure how you can consider that "accurate" no matter how you slice it.

    No, and that is beacuse as you and I both know, those murders aren't committed with "assualt wepaons", in fact, they're not committed with guns that are "legally owned" under our current laws.

    I attirbute it to the fact that America is very unique in the world in that the urban centers (where violent crime is always more prevalent) are comprised of vastly multi-cultural populations.
     
  14. MysteryMan

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    A limited number of gun control laws are useful, the vast majority of gun control laws are not. I'll repeat what I posted before. Since JFK's assassination the anti gunners have lobbied and succeeded in getting "thousands" of gun control laws passed that have done "nothing" to prevent crimes commited with a firearm.
     
  15. sigma1914

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    You don't have any way to know that. If one life is saved, then something has been done positively.
     
  16. sigma1914

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    Truer words have not been said here.
     
  17. MysteryMan

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    Did those thousands of useless gun control laws prevent what happened in Aurora? People commit crimes with automobiles every day that cause injury and/or death (speeding, reckless endangerment, DWI, robbery, kidnapping, assault, murder, ect.). Why arn't people like you screaming for more motor vehicle laws? After all, more people are injured and killed with automoblies than with firearms.
     
  18. sigma1914

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    The guns = cars argument is old a ridiculous. They're not even remotely similar.
     
  19. MysteryMan

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    Really? That's rather narrow minded. You want more gun control laws because of the injuries and deaths they cause but could care less about the injuries and deaths caused by automobiles. :sure:
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    We may have the death penalty but we sure as heck don't use it. The courts sentence people to death but they still live on in jail for another 10 to 20 years.
     

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