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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. runner861

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    Many officers have been slain by motorists using guns during traffic stops. I am personally aware of several.
     
  2. runner861

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    Where were you chief? And when?
     
  3. Tom Robertson

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    Guns are a red herring.

    Guns are what Holmes chose to use--but he could have also picked mustard or sarin gas. Or something else.

    Peace,
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  4. MysteryMan

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    CNN reported that James Eagan Holmes was under the care of a psychiatrist. Will be interesting to find out of if the shrink observed any warning signs.
     
  5. Draconis

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    I'm just hoping they do not try and run some nutcase angle to get him a lighter sentence.
     
  6. James Long

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    Then we would be discussing how easy it is to obtain those weapons ... would the 2nd Amendment defenders still defend the right to possess those weapons?
     
  7. Tom Robertson

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    Perhaps or perhaps not, but we'd be discussing red flags, more laws, and security of theaters.
     
  8. James Long

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    Just like the current thread? :)

    Security theater is another discussion (beyond security OF theaters as you noted). Americans want to feel secure so sometimes things are done for show to make them feel better. It does not always make them feel better.

    BTW: There has been another death associated with the shooting. The unborn child of victim Ashley Moser has died. Ashley was also the mother of the six year old, Veronica, who was killed.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/28/us/colorado-shooting-victim-miscarriage/index.html
     
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    They may well run a sanity defense. His defense team has one goal and one goal only--get him off. If they can't get him off, then secure for him the lightest penalty possible. How far they will be able to run with any defense, we don't know at this time.
     
  10. MysteryMan

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    That's exactly what his lawyers will be doing. There are rules governing psychiatrists and their reporting of warning signs they observe. There are also rules governing doctor/patient confidentiality. Both are very sensitive areas. Time will tell.
     
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    Whether or not his psychiatrist should have reported him is not an issue as to criminal liability in the case against this guy. That is a separate issue as to the psychiatrist. And as far as any rules regarding confidentiality, the rules can be waived. This guy can waive them so that his defense team can talk with the psychiatrist.
     
  12. MysteryMan

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    The goal of any defense attorney is to have their client found not guilty. It's reasonable to assume Holmes attorney will try to achieve that by having him found not guilty by reason of mental defect. Several mass murderers have gotten off the hook that way. As I posted, there are rules governing psychiatrist and warning signs. They are obligated to report them in order to assure patient/public safety. They can be held liable for failing to do so. "If" the shrink observed the warning signs and failed to report them he can and should be held accountable.
     
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    What the psychiatrist is obligated to report, or may discretionarily report, is one thing. The psychiatrist may or may not be held accountable, depending on the state of the law governing mandated reporting in Colorado. However, that has absolutely nothing to do with the criminal liability of the guy who did the shooting. In other words, it is not a defense to a crime to assert, "Someone should have stopped me. The psychiatrist should have called the police before I did it." What is at issue in the criminal prosecution is only three things:
    1) What did this guy do, if anything?
    2) What was his intent when he did it?
    3) Was he sane or insane at the time that he did it?
     
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    The prosecutor said the employee was justified in the shooting (so I'm assuming he isn't being charged), but because he was carrying a gun in violation of the store's policy, the mother will most likely end up getting some cash from the store. Real shame that people benefit when breaking the law.
     
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    http://www.examiner.com/article/scalia-stuns-identity-conservatives-says-guns-can-be-regulated
     
  18. Nick

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    There is no such thing as perfect safety (security), at any time.
     

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