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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. RunnerFL

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    Yeah, good old "Sparky" here in Florida got retired. :(

    If the electric chair is cruel and unusual what's lethal injection?
     
  2. Laxguy

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    'Zackly.

    I do love the careful cleansing of the murderer's skin with alcohol before and after the injection, lest he die of an infection or something....:sure:
     
  3. Phil T

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    How about they just tie him up in front of the movie theater for a few hours and see what happens?
     
  4. RunnerFL

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    Or make him open up the front door to his apartment.

    What sickens me is that this tool is going to be "in the system" for years to come as he goes from lawyer to lawyer and doctor to doctor and will probably just be declared "criminally insane".
     
  5. phrelin

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    The guy is delusional. There is nothing about crime and punishment relationships that can discourage a delusional person. You have to get them off the street before they do something like this. That's almost impossible.

    However, it appears that anyone can buy 6,000 rounds on the internet over a relatively short period of time and no one will notice. How can that happen without setting off bells somewhere? That's just scary. There are real terrorists in this world in addition to all the crazy people. :nono2:
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    Not sure if this was the first case or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    Perhaps tangential to this thread... but you remind me of my thoughts against racial profiling. Forget about morality or prejudice for a moment... but racial profiling due to recent terrorist actions might be one reason why someone who doesn't fit that profile is able to stockpile ammo.

    I remember when people said about the 9/11 hijackers... how there were red flags that people should have questioned (like learning how to fly but not how to take off or land)... and what it seems we learned since 9/11 is how to profile dark-skinned people... when we should have learned how to profile suspicious behavior.

    I agree it is hard to fathom how a single person was able to purchase that much ammunition without a red flag popping somewhere. We know that the internet and other forms of communications have been monitored (if not before, certainly since 9/11)... so for nobody to be curious about this kid and his purchasing habits seems odd to me.
     
  8. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Yea, but you have to provide two forms of I.D. at WalGreens to buy a box of OTC cold tablets for your sniffles ...
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    Then pass laws that do not run afoul of the Constitution, and if said laws do, don't let presidents appoint Justices to the Supreme Court who use their own personal feelings to uphold such laws (Brennan, Blackmun, Stevens, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer, Kennedy, et. al.).

    If the Constitution is the stumbling block, there's a method to deal with that--amend it.
     
  10. Lord Vader

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    The 2nd Amendment was never amended.

    There is also a reason why it is the 2nd Amendment and not the 5th or 8th or later one. In fact, there was much debate among the Framers that the 2nd Amendment we have today should be the 1st Amendment, because the Framers felt so strongly that the right to bear arms by individuals was such a fundamental and important right that it could be considered more important than the rights protected by the 1st Amendment.
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    Finally! Someone other than me asks a valid question.

    I know this may sound insensitive; it's not meant to be. I also know that I'm not alone in asking this (Richard Roper, the film critic and half of the Roe & Roper WLS-AM radio team asked the same thing). Upon hearing reports of what happened, even as they broke last night around 2:00 a.m. CDT, I noticed something odd in the reports: a 3-month old girl was injured but survived (thankfully), and a 6-year-old girl also survived. Good news, of course, but that begs this question--WHAT THE HELL IS A 3-MONTH OLD INFANT & A 6-YEAR-OLD GIRL DOING AT A MIDNIGHT SHOWING OF A DARK, PG13-RATED MOVIE?!? Hello! What the hell are their parents thinking?!? When Diane Sawyer of ABC World News Tonight interviewed the young mother and father, the latter who was cradling his 3-month-old infant in his arms, I found myself honestly and seriously pissed off--at the parents! What, you couldn't get a babysitter? Then stay the f--- home you frickin' morons! You endangered both of your children. Hell! You almost cost both of them their lives, you brain dead cretins!

    I know I don't have any kids, but I don't think I am wrong in saying that (a) there is no way that children of such a young age should be seeing an R-rated movie loaded with violence and dark, foreboding themes--period, and (b) a 6-year-old and 3-month-old child should not be at a midnight showing of anything, even if it's a Disney flick.

    As Roper put it, it's legitimate to question bad parenting, exemplified so wonderfully by these two parents...uh, morons.


    On another note, people keep talking about the main villain in The Dark Knight Rises being the inspiration for Holmes's murderous rampage. In addition, there's talk here about someone packing who could have fought back had anyone been armed. Nick, as much as I agree with your 2nd Amendment beliefs, Holmes was decked out from head to toe in protective gear to the point that one official said Holmes would have been impervious to gunshots from any typical weapon.

    If someone doubts this, see the movie that I truly believe was the inspiration for this guy--Rampage. The similarities between Holmes and the murderous young man in Rampage are eery, indeed. For one thing, Holmes's body armor looked a LOT like that in Rampage.
     
  12. wilbur_the_goose

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    When I was a kid in the 1960's, there was this BIG scary building in town - It was the State Psychiatric Hospital.

    It's still there, but the population is very small compared to back then.

    My point is that we don't lock up these nutcases anymore and we should.

    I'm a moderate/liberal guy and don't love guns, but this has NOTHING to do with the 2nd amendment. He bought his guns legally, and these were weapons normally used for hunting/sport. Put them in the hands of a lunatic, and you have tragedy.

    I can't belive I'm saying this, but it's the lunatic, not the guy. ANy insane person can get his/her hands on virtually any weapon they want if they have the time and money.

    We in Pennsylvania are still recovering from the milk truck driver that killed all those Amish kids. My prayers are with our friends in Colorado.
     
  13. wilbur_the_goose

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  14. RasputinAXP

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    1. My wife nurses. Our 3 month old would either be awake...or asleep. Usually asleep. But not always. But nursing. We never did it at midnight, but we certainly brought our very small children to movies because they never took a bottle, but the older one (or ones, as it eventually became) were home with Grandma.

    2. You almost cost them...what? In a normal situation, a good night's sleep. They did not walk into the theater with either child with the intent of endangering them. That was the shooter. He walked in with the intent of killing people. You and I don't go to movie theaters with the expectation that a psychotic person covered head to toe in body armor is going to turn the place into a bloodbath. Neither did they. It's at best disingenuous of you to say that the parents endangered their children. At worst...it's inflammatory and horrendously insensitive.

    It could have been a special family night out for the six-year-old, who got a good nap in beforehand, as a reward for doing well at school; they'd been a huge fan of Batman ever since they were little and saw the other movies on DVD and now they were going to see the last one in the theater!

    There are always situations that you don't know about. I suggest you leave judgement to others (or, if you're of the mind, the Other).
     
  15. SayWhat?

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    I don't care the reasons or excuses, taking small children to a movie at midnight is poor parenting, let alone a violent movie. Wait for an earlier showing or for the DVD to come out.
     
  16. la24philly

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    Hi all, I'm just hearing about the story. I was away last 3 days for my birthday.

    So another colorado WTF moment happened. Some guy from a college did in deed have the dark night rise.

    I feel for all who died and affected. My prayers go out.

    Not that this would prevent me from going to a movie.

    But i rarely go to the movies, I haven't been to one since 2003. mainly due to the high cost.
     
  17. Rich

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    My preference for defending myself would be a 12 gauge shotgun. Pump action. Hard to miss a moving target with one of them. Aside from that, I have a great dislike for shotguns. I'm not a big fan of hand guns either.

    Rich
     
  18. yosoyellobo

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    Any system that would have lock up James Holmes, from what little I have heard of him, before the shooting would most likely have lock up half this forum me included.
     
  19. Rich

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    I used to live with a girl who has a cousin that has a Federal permit to sell guns that allows him to sell guns anywhere in the country. (I think that's how it works, it was 30 years ago.) One day we took a ride to a very secluded spot in PA and he proceeded to blow a forest apart with several fully automatic assault rifles. He had placed paper targets on trees and I don't think he hit any of them. After he got done I asked him if anyone had ever taught him how to use an assault rifle. He said he had received training. If he did, he didn't pay any attention.

    When I showed him how to use one, he said it's more fun to just put it in full automatic and pull the trigger.

    The guy's a millionaire several time over at the time, made his money bilking people needing money by that atrocious scam that's still going on, buying jewelry and coins by weighing them and paying out based on the weight of the item. He wanted me to get a similar carry permit so I could transport diamonds and other jewels to NYC's diamond district and bring the money back. Would have had to use an attache case handcuffed to my left arm. Seemed like a good way to die.

    There's an example of a "responsible" gun owner/seller.

    I have absolutely no idea what getting a federal license entails or what it really means. I just know he had one, so I can't answer any questions about that. Remember, it was 30 years ago.

    I do too and I know a few people that have them. I also know a guy in PA who's in a militia. They, basically, go camping and drink beer and blow trees apart while preparing for the coming invasion.

    Rich
     
  20. sigma1914

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    Who cares if the parents had their baby at a movie? It's THEIR kid, so mind your own business. It seems ironic that those not wanting gun control or government in our personal lives are so quick to put your opinion into the personal lives of the parents.
     

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