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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

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  1. Rich

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    Oh no! Do you realize the only league that doesn't use a DH is the National League? From the minor leagues to college leagues to Little League, just the NL hasn't switched to the DH.

    Chien-Ming Wang would still be pitching for the Yanks if he had known how to hit and run the bases.

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  2. James Long

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    That happens? Even in cases where a gun is used by an intended victim in "self defense" it seems a life is taken.

    The Zimmerman vs Martin case in Florida is one where one could allege that a gun saved a life ... and that is Zimmerman's defense. But it seems that regardless of how the events unfolded, and even if you believe Zimmerman 100%, a gun was used to take a life.

    Not every report of a person using a gun to take a life makes the news. I would not expect every report of a gun saving a life to make the news.

    Most people are happy when the "off the wall" people are out of their lives. He could have just as easily walked into a classroom at the university he left and killed a few people there. Having a room filled with ~200 people and few if anyone suspicious of his clothing due to the nature of the event made it easier for him to blend in and get into position to commit the crime. Normally an individual walking around in full battle gear would be suspicious.

    Unless a person commits a crime it is difficult to turn "off the wall" behavior into a reason to take them into custody (even for observation) or to force them into the mental health process.

    If he was stressed out by his classes the powers that be would probably be happy to see him "take a break" from his studies and leave it at that. Unless there was a clear threat they really could not know that he was going to end his studies with a mass killing.

    There are a lot of "off the wall" people ... not all of them walk into theaters and kill a dozen people. Very few kill anyone at all. For that I am glad.
     
  3. Rich

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    Much as I agree with the death penalty, I think the cruelest punishment is life without the possibility of parole.

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  4. sigma1914

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    I'm pro death penalty, too. The cruelest and what I'd do if it was affordable - 24 hr isolation.
     
  5. Rich

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    Yeah, he's already proven he's insane.

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  6. James Long

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    That couple was defended on NBC Nightly News as well. They should have found a sitter, but the kids were asleep and the only gunfire expected was the violence on screen.

    Sometimes being a parent means you miss out on things couples without children can do. It would not have been my choice to take children to a midnight showing of any movie but I'm sure there are other choices in this couple's life I would not agree with. And some in my life they would not agree with.
     
  7. trh

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    +1

    And for the record, the movie is rated PG-13, not R as some have mentioned.

    The parents didn't do any thing illegal and shouldn't be made to be the villains.

    If there is any parenting that should be reviewed, how about the parents of the shooter?
     
  8. Rich

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    Semantics. It was changed by the Supreme Court in 2008 to clarify that forming a militia wasn't the main point of the Second Amendment. I think the case was DC vs Hall. Look up "amend", it's practically synonymous with "change".

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  9. Christopher Gould

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    Yes it happens. You wouldn't know about it because the media doesn't cover it. Just because a firearm is drawn doesn't mean someone dies. You probably have never read any of the stories in the nra magazines were people have been saved.
     
  10. Rich

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    Good post. I would have answered the same way if I thought it would be received well. If you've never had kids, how can you criticize others who do? How can you know what a pleasure they are or what a nightmare they can be? It's not like they took the kids to a bar at midnight (yeah, I've seen that, too).

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  11. RunnerFL

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    And/or razor blades.

    I had to do that just last week at Walgreen's to buy single sided razor blades.
     
  12. RunnerFL

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    In order to lock them up you have to determine they are a nutcase.
     
  13. RunnerFL

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    If you mean cruel for the taxpayers, then yes. It's not cruel for the criminal, he gets free room and board for life on our dime.
     
  14. RunnerFL

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    Yeah, but you know they still have to waste taxpayer money to medically prove it.
     
  15. Rich

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    I agree. Having spent almost 30 years working in the same place with the same people, we pretty much knew who was slightly nuts but not violent. Nothing we could do about that til they flipped out. The violent ones were weeded out. There were a lot of both kinds. With union protection, we couldn't just fire them. A lot of our management people were wacky too.

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  16. SayWhat?

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    Yo, Runner .... Multiquote!
     
  17. Rich

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    Yeah, just think of standing in court and having a judge pronounce a life sentence without chance of parole upon you. Life as you know it disappears at that moment. Nightmarish.

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  18. James Long

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    That seems like a biased opinion of media coverage. The media doesn't cover every gun death either (there are too many of them).

    I try to stay away from politically biased websites.
     
  19. Rich

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    I'd rather be executed than spend the rest of my life in a cell. Ever been in one? No, I'll bet you haven't or you'd appreciate what I wrote. It's a horrible experience.

    Rich
     
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