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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    You mean something along these lines?

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

    I'm not sure who's more deranged, the shooter or the "journalist" who wrote that article.
     
  2. sigma1914

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  3. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

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    Because this occurred at a movie theater screening the new Batman movie, Roger Ebert offered these words in a thoughtful NY Times Op Ed piece We’ve Seen This Movie Before:
     
  4. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    Incorrect. There was no endangerment, and you're clearly not the most rational thinker, because to leap from "bringing a 3 month old/6 year old to a PG-13 midnight superhero movie" to "OK, let them beat their kids, then," is the worst case of equivocating I've seen in some time.

    Again, the "endangerment" came when the psycho showed up with guns. Before that there was no endangerment whatsoever.
     
  5. yosoyellobo

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    I guess we won't know for sure until Jesse Ventura reports in on this topic.:)
     
  6. Nick

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    IMO, not as cruel as intentionally causing the death of a innocent person.
     
  7. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Cops sure are wasting a lot of time and money trying to de-booby trap that apartment.
    Why dont they just send the shooter in there and tell him to disarm it. Who better to disarm it that the person that designed it. If it blows up in the process, look at the money saved...
     
  8. veryoldschool

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    "Two birds with one stone?" ;)
     
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    We try to be more civilized that those we prosecute for crimes. :)
     
  10. RunnerFL

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    And that's why criminals aren't deterred from doing this stuff. I'm no bible thumper, far from it, but "an eye for an eye" is not a bad idea.
     
  11. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Can evil be deterred?

    It seems that one is postulating that it is society's fault that James Holmes and others have decided to take lives ... that there was something that "we" should have done to detect the crime before it happened and prevent it.

    It was something wrong in his upbringing, some fault of his parents or the university he attended for him growing into the kind of person who would launch an attack on a crowded theater. It wasn't his fault, it was ours!

    Rubbish.

    It is punishment - at the end of the appropriate legal procedures designed to eliminate as many mistakes as humanly possible it is a punishment. While such punishments may deter some people the lesser penalties are still life changing and - if punishment was a deterrent - would prevent the crime.

    Sorry ... but "this stuff" will still be done. There is no deterrent for evil. Only punishment.
     
  12. veryoldschool

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    I think the gestapo tried, but who wants to live in a world like that?
     
  13. RunnerFL

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    True/pure evil, like this jackbag, no. However not all criminals are true/pure evil. A guy who tries to rob a bank to get money to feed his family, for example, isn't what I'd consider evil. He's just misguided or his judgement is clouded.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    Too many random things to respond to, but here goes...

    Are we really talking about parents and their young kids at the movie rather than the crazy shooter? Really? It has already been noted that the 3 month-old might be nursing... and while you can debate a 6-year-old at a PG-13 movie if you want... the facts are that the "PG-13" rating allows for a parent to take a younger kid if they think it is ok. The movie should have had an "R" rating if it was completely inappropriate for all 6 year-olds.

    "Risking their lives"? Really? By that logic, the kids should never leave the home. I mean, there might be a crazy gunman somewhere and it will be the parents fault if they have their kids out when that happens.

    The ONLY valid complaint about young kids in a movie theater is IF they are crying or misbehaving and causing the other patrons distraction. Period. IF the kids were asleep or behaved, then there is no issue.

    But how about this... IF we're going to question something... How about questioning the notion of midnight openings! Why is this trendy? Don't we hear all the time about how "nothing good happens at 2am"? So we have midnight movie openings where everyone is released at 2am+ and we are surprised when something bad comes of that?

    Not to put too fine of a point on it... but anyone who knows the history of Batman knows that Bruce Wayne's parents were killed during a mugging after leaving a play... at night... so maybe, just maybe, having late night movies is not a good thing?

    Why not criticize that?

    Meanwhile... the true villain here... the guy who did the shooting. I'm not sure what you can do there. I think some flags should have been thrown at the stockpile of weaponry he was acquiring... beyond that, if he hadn't had trouble with the law before... well, there's a first time for everything and unless we want lock-down world, we can't stop first offenses.

    We could, however, put security on the EXITS of a movie theater... you know, the exit that he opened without engaging the emergency exit alarm... the one where he had stashed his weapons outside earlier... and then he sneaks back inside the theater... at night.

    Bad enough during the daytime... but at night? Probably would be prudent to have security stationed at the emergency exits. That would have stopped this guy in his tracks.

    You know what they say about an ounce of prevention... I'm not really blaming anyone here... but I damn sure can think of a lot of others to blame before blaming the parents for having their kids with them.

    Those same parents leave their kids with a babysitter and people would say "why are you going out at night and leaving your kids at home"... maybe something happens at home and people will say "why didn't you have your kids with you"... they can't win for losing... and there are way more wrong things in yesterday's scenario than a couple of parents with their young kids at a movie.
     
  15. Davenlr

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    And who is to say the parents didn't work night shift, and this was the normal time for the child and the parents to be awake?
     
  16. SayWhat?

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    PG-13 does not require the parent's presence ... it is only a stronger caution than the usual PG.

    R does not ban children from the theater. "Children Under 17 Require Accompanying Parent or Adult Guardian." One can still take their six year old or infant into a theater for an R rated film (at least under MPAA guidelines).

    NC-17 is the harshest rating given by the MPAA ... "No One 17 and Under Admitted."

    http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means

    There are other valid complaints. The question of "what is best for the child" does not end with "are they annoying an adult".

    Everyone wants to be first ... which is why nerds line up for the latest software and gagdets - some that are released at 12:01 am. Perhaps if the distributors set a release date that included "6pm" and barred theaters from starting earlier it would make "first" a more reasonable time.

    But Warner made $30+ million in midnight showings and if it were not for a lone gunman that would have been good publicity for their movie. If you owned the studio would you turn away $30+ million worth of ticket sales, hoping that those people would come later in the weekend?

    Those who know Batman also understand he, and his parents, are fictional characters. :)
    Try not to support your argument with fiction. :lol:

    Just to prevent sneaking people in who had not paid would be a good enough reason to watch such doors.
     
  18. SayWhat?

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    Midnight showings?

    Thank Rocky Horror.
     
  19. yosoyellobo

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    I was thinking about that earlier this morning. Just don't go as a Storm Trooper and you be OK.
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    True... though the larger point was that the higher the rating the less intended-for-kids one should think of the movie. Given that PG-13 is "parental guidance suggested for kids under 13" that sure infers that children under 13 are welcome... otherwise you're correct that a harsher rating should be applied.

    True... but relative to this discussion...and assuming the parents are not abusing their children in public... the only generic complaint to have about kids in a theater would be if they are distracting the audience. Obviously if you are in the theater and observe something else, you might have another complaint.

    But for us folk on the internet who weren't present in that movie theater... the only complaint I can apply from afar would be the noise one.

    You're right about technology... but that race happens in part because Apple wants to beat Android wants to beat Google or whomever.

    Batman is the only Batman movie... and while it surely competes with other movies in the theater... I feel certain that an afternoon premiere airing would get the same attendance as a midnight showing does, at least on a Friday.

    The premiere is when Warner says it is... so if they premiere it on Friday evening, then that would be the premiere! As an aside... since I haven't been to a theater in years... outside of these midnight premieres... do any other traditional movie theaters start movies that late? I worked in a theater about 26 years ago... and our last movie ended before 11pm every night... nothing started after around 9:30 or so give or take.

    I don't think that's the choice though... as I said above... does Warner (or you for that matter) really think that anybody willing to show for a midnight premiere wouldn't find a way to see it over that first weekend? I don't think these are additive viewers... these are just the die-hards who want badly to see the movie and who will see it no matter when the first airing is... and probably go back and see it several more times.

    So... I don't think Warner would lose by stopping midnight premieres. They would just move that money into the weekend.

    Touche... though the point was, as a movie studio... a character that has its origins rooted in the death of parents at a late night play, probably should consider the ramifications of this and how it sticks to this movie moreso than others.

    Consider... if the guy had shot people at a showing of the Three Stooges instead (just to pick a random movie) we wouldn't have people trying to relate his motives to the movie subject. But its a Batman movie, with lots of police in riot gear... so the public draws parallels to the people in the movie with the gunman. I have to think the movie studio also knows the history of its character... and the notion of a vigilante hero born out of violence to a family at a theater (play) playing out in real life at their movie premiere has probably come up. No doubt this plays a part in the canceling of many of the press junkets that were planned to promote the movie.

    Exactly. Even just to prevent theft it seems like security would be a good idea... and certainly in this case it probably would have prevented the violence and deaths. I'm not blaming the theater, mind you... but I would like to see more security at the exits.

    Even in good locations, the exit from a theater is always around the back... and when I was in a full theater I never thought about it... exiting with a crowd of people out the back... but the first time I went to a mostly empty theater and was exiting out the back alone or just with a friend... it can feel really creepy sometimes. A security guard would change that.
     

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