Possible Dish-DirecTV Merger?

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  1. mwdxer

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  2. James Long

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    Non-starter.
     
  3. NR4P

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    How has the Sirius XM combo worked out? Everyone enjoying those lower bills and combing two different satellite network receivers into one radio? All promises for approval.

    How did the Kmart/Sears combo work out?

    And Apollo Global Mgmt who is behind this deal owns 85% of ADT Security. Since Apollo grabbed ADT in 2014, its been losing customers and value. ADT sold off its Canada Operations last week.
     
  4. scooper

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    I'd pretty much agree, but there might be a VERY SMALL chance of a merger if they shrink down in # of customers such that the market could only support one of them...
     
  5. James Long

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    My opinion was focused on this specific rumored offer. The potential of DISH and DIRECTV becoming one company a decade (or more) from now has been previously discussed. The whole issue seems to be a fan fantasy trying to reverse the purchase of DIRECTV by AT&T. One of those fantasies that when someone points out all of the fallacies in the logic gets doubled down with an even more unlikely scenario.

    The biggest flaw in the Apollo plan is understanding that the #1 stockholder of DISH network has no interest in getting out of the satellite business nor does he want to relinquish control of the company he has owned since Day Zero. DISH isn't a company that has passed from owner to owner as an investment.
     
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    I suspect Charlie could be interested in the Apollo financed deal ONLY if Dish became the majority owner of the new company.
     
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    There could be a merger, but I do not see how Charlie would give up his love (Dish). He sure doesn't need the money. But I can see AT&T selling Direct and Dish will control it.
     
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  9. James Long

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    DISH and DIRECTV have separate satellite fleets - even at locations where both have a satellite (110 and 119) they operate separate satellites.
    The satellites could be configured to be compatible with each other. DIRECTV would need to dump DSS for DISH receivers to receive programming, DISH would need to dump "Turbo" 8PSK for DIRECTV receivers to receive programming. The biggest challenge would be changing out dishes since each company aims at different orbital locations.

    I would not expect either company's receiver to become "the" receiver any time soon after a merger. There is no need to rush any current receivers out of the marketplace.
     
  10. mwdxer

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    I cannot see Charlie giving up Dish. If anything I see Dish running Direct TV.
     
  11. lee635

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    The long term problem is that the "herd" is moving on. DBS is slowly going the way of the landline phone and elevator attendants. I did a credit analysis on one of the baby bells back on the 90s and they were struggling with call volume due to modems. Then, they pivoted to dsl, now landline phones are dying and dsl growth stopped years ago.

    Without a merger, we eventually be left with two poorly capitalized, struggling dbs providers.
     
  12. WestDC

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    My only hope is if a Merger Should occur --Perhaps Having folks That understand How SAT TV and receivers preform - Would be left in charge and all the AT &T folks would exit. Again perhaps leading to better Customer service?
     
  13. mwdxer

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    Dish at least is keeping a lot of customers, but they have been moving to Sling. No matter what the provider is, all will have to embrace streaming in time or they will not survive. Frontier (cable) is filing for bankruptcy, as they have lost a ton of subs.
     
  14. gary@bigbear

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    I have Dish and get both of those channels.
     
  15. James Long

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    Chiller (then channel 199) was dropped by DISH in February 2017. It ceased operation in December 2017.
    The Military Channel became American Heroes Channel in 2014 (DISH channel 195, DIRECTV channel 287).
     
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    I was mistaken about Chiller and I thought you were referring to AMH which is what the military channel changed it's name to.
     
  17. Poorsha

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    Such a merger would never gain government approval. We need more tv competition not less.
     
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  18. James Long

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    Keeping both companies does not help competition when the marketplace is not big enough for two satellite companies. Both satellite companies have streaming services, and there are other OTT services that can compete with a single satellite service. Competition in areas where there is an alternative to satellite will keep the prices "reasonable" for the few who cannot get anything except satellite.
     
  19. NYDutch

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    And there is that third satellite company of course, that could grow into a true competitor eventually. Hey, it could happen... ;)
     

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