Potential YES Contract Dispute? Update: Agreement reached

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  1. Apr 6, 2011 #441 of 526
    Drucifer

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    How did this thread migrate to Stadium parking? Anyway I'm glad the Metro North Yankee Stadium Station was finally built. It made life for me a hell of a lot easier.
     
  2. Apr 6, 2011 #442 of 526
    Rich

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    As it says below my avatar, New Jersey. If I lived in the city I sure wouldn't be worried about paying $35 on top of all the other outrageously overpriced things connected to going to a Yankees game. :)

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  3. Apr 6, 2011 #443 of 526
    Rich

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    GREED....:lol:

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  4. Apr 6, 2011 #444 of 526
    Tom Robertson

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    DIRECTV knows they have to pay channels more every year. That comes straight out of the 4 to 5% increase they charge us.

    This much is pretty well known and just makes sense.

    Occassionally channels actually do increase in value enough to justify a larger than 4-5% increase. Sometimes that is covered by revenues DIRECTV gets from adsales, sometimes by corresponding price freezes on a few channels that didn't increase in value , etc. DIRECTV (well, all cable companies) find someway to fit these in.

    What we have seen lately is a new pattern of channels asking for 20% to 200% increases in their pay. Increases that are way out of line of the increases that can be passed on to us customers.

    How do I know? I have a few friends and I've seen press from several cable companies during negotiations. They all say the same thing--channel Y is asking for a lot more money. And usually, if I get a whisper, it falls in the 20%-200% increase range.

    I have not heard how much YES is asking for, I often don't get exact details, and this time I haven't heard even a broad range. (Not too surprising as this is just a single channel, I get more info about groups rather than individuals.)

    So I can't tell you exactly how much YES is asking for. But my sense is YES is asking for more than their share of the increase you were charged this year. By enough to not sign the deal. Hopefully both sides agree on a sensible amount soon.

    Cheers,
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  5. Apr 6, 2011 #445 of 526
    TheDurk

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    Just remember the the non-deal consequences for each side:

    YES--loses all revenue from DirecTV contract.

    DirecTV--loses all COSTS from YES contract, against long-term erosion of Yankee fans from subscriber base that can't go to Dish, only cable or FIOS.

    DirecTV wins this battle, IMHO.
     
  6. Apr 6, 2011 #446 of 526
    gaperrine

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    There seems to be two different types of math used on this site.

    For Directv:
    Raise prices+withhold desirable programming+make a healthy profit=good business model

    For content providers:
    Raise prices+withhold desirable programming+make a healthy profit=greed
     
  7. Apr 6, 2011 #447 of 526
    hdtvfan0001

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    There are several more...

    Complainers about prices + wanting everything for free = utopia but not the real world

    Whiners over price increases + demanders for every new HD channel = overzealous content providers - bankrupt sat company

    Here's the YES MATH:

    200% channel price increase - no corresponding price increase to DirecTV customers = blank TV screen some day
     
  8. Apr 7, 2011 #448 of 526
    Mariah2014

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    Actually both types of math lead to the same thing Greed.
     
  9. Apr 7, 2011 #449 of 526
    Ira Lacher

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    It's called "net operating income" and has nothing to do with the quality of the goods or services provided, just how large the bottom line number appears.
     
  10. Apr 7, 2011 #450 of 526
    I WANT MORE

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  11. Apr 7, 2011 #451 of 526
    mitch300

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    Does anybody know what time today is the deadline? Is it midnight?
     
  12. Apr 7, 2011 #452 of 526
    Rich

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    Yeah, it's midnight. I'm sitting here waiting for the cable guy to show up and install two HD DVRs. I will get the Yes Network one way or the other. Fortunately, Cablevision has not commitment period, so if they agree tonight, I'll take the Cablevision HD DVRs back tomorrow. Cablevision is aware of my plans and is okay with what I'm doing.

    Rich
     
  13. Apr 7, 2011 #453 of 526
    Ira Lacher

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    Blind allegiance to NOI is the major reason America doesn't manufacture anymore.

    A small business depends on customers. And secures customers by providing better goods and/or services than its competitors.

    Large corporations have proved that providing better goods and services are secondary to maximizing NOI. Maximizing NOI can be achieved by cutting expenses (too often, workers), and it's not unusual for a corporation's CFO to admit that selling more, or investing in R&D to improve the product or service, is detrimental to NOI.

    That's why Wall Street profits have in many ways surpassed pre-Great Recession levels, why America is destined to import far more goods than it exports, and why unemployment is consigned to hover around 9 percent.
     
  14. Apr 7, 2011 #454 of 526
    Laxguy

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    Blind allegiance to NOI will put any business down over the medium to long term.
     
  15. Apr 7, 2011 #455 of 526
    el-loko

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    Was thinking to do the same thing with Comcast but I'll give Directv till next weekend if the channel goes off air because there is no guarantee the same thing is not going to happen when is Comcast time to get a new agreement...
     
  16. Apr 7, 2011 #456 of 526
    Santi360HD

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    same with me and Time Warner here in Manhattan...worse comes to worse I have 1 month of a full cable bill..and if it lingers like the months Versus was off...hmm then that will be time to ponder...so I have 2 high bills for this month..for now

    I only have D* in one room since the Versus pull...when that happened i called D* and I scaled back my service to 1 TV..same way per the fine print they reserve the right to alter programming...I too reserve the right to scale back what I pay them..Ive had the Time Warner Coax in my HD since im still on the books to them for Road Runner High Speed..so the coax lead was already there and the Time Warner Box is already hooked up and AMC BBC TCM IFC Sundance all in HD.....ahhhhhh so nice...VOD without a DVR even better!!
     
  17. Apr 7, 2011 #457 of 526
    Tom B

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    I'm probably going to give it about a week before going to Comcast as well. If they can't resolve things by then, I will go back to Comcast. (Considering how long it took to resolve things with Versus, I expect this could also go on for a long time and I will not wait this one out.)
     
  18. Apr 7, 2011 #458 of 526
    xzi

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    I'll just take the cable-modem-only trap off my cable line :)
     
  19. Apr 7, 2011 #459 of 526
    Rich

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    Please remember, in no way am I giving up my D* sub. I had the Cablevision HD DVR put in today and it was a pretty poor performance equipment-wise. The guy that came out had a bunch of banged up DVRs in the back of his truck and that was all he had. First one wouldn't boot up properly, second one wouldn't record, a dialog box came up and said there was a problem with the HDD. The third one worked. Big ugly DVR! I hope this gets settled tonight so I can return this thing tomorrow.

    Anyone who has problems with our GUI should check out CV's. Terrible. 4:3. Haven't watched anything on it yet. Only plan to use it for the Yankees' games.

    Rich
     
  20. Apr 7, 2011 #460 of 526
    bwaldron

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    I think you're right...but, still, DirecTV losing YES would also have an impact on its reputation as the service for sports fans (which is what YES is counting on). Even non-Yankee fans would be concerned about the next contract for their own teams' channels.

     

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