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Press Release - DISH Introduces Hopper and Joey

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by Jason Nipp, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. n0qcu

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    You wont find an uncompressed signal even OTA is MPEG-2 compressed.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Some cleanup... I have closed two other Hopper/Joey/XIP813 threads so we can be more focused. I decided not to merge them because there is already duplicated content and I thought it would just be confusing.

    Please continue using this thread for all discussion and look to the following thread for photos from CES:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2938325#post2938325

    IF there is a post in one of the closed threads that still bears further discussion, you are welcome to re-ask or post in this thread to continue the talk.
     
  3. P Smith

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    [I expect to keep technical details in my thread, but you decide to mix buzz with techno ... well, will see how it will works]

    From XiP100 aka Joey - use BCM7340 and interesting detail about MoCA freqs:
    Broadcom's flexible architecture also allows MoCA tuning from 500 to 1500 MHz (to be compatible with satellite signals on the same coax).
    The chip is not support own DVR functions, for that is exist BCM7342:
    The BCM7342 is identical to the BCM7340 with the addition of DVR watch and record capabilities. It also integrates a dual tuner/demodulator from Broadcom's BCM4506 front-end technology (versus the single tuner/demodulator of the BCM7340 that uses Broadcom's BCM4505 front-end technology).
     
  4. Blowgun

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    Interesting. Do you know how much information is obtained by the mother ship? For example, do they know who you are, if you paused and if you skipped a commercial, even while watching a recorded event? Or is the simple answer, everything?

    Whatever the extent, I doubt what's collected stays in-house. And, to keep this on topic, I wonder if the new Hopper also contains improvements to these "features".

    Based on the above, I'm not all that thrilled to even use the first Ethernet port. ;)

    Perhaps the answer is in the locked "XiP813" thread from P Smith, which is located HERE. In that thread, P Smith included the FCC ID to search the FCC and attached a PDF document which includes two internal images. Perhaps this was what you linked?

    Speaking of images; I was surprised to see the big red reset button behind the door. Not that I was expecting to see a button the size need by a skier with gloves on, just that it would be placed more conveniently on the front. Such as how the dual purpose power button worked. I guess these days the reset button is considered as one of those seldom used buttons now that programming has improved so much. :grin:

    In any case, whether the Hopper uses Hitachi, Seagate or Western Digital drives, and how well those 2 TB hard drives in the first batch of Hoppers holds up, remains to be seen. With more than 75 percent of the drive used exclusively for DISH purposes, the drives are probably going to rack as they suck up all that daily data. It's no wonder they added a heat exhaust pipe to the hard drive directly in front of the fan.

    I suppose DISH can sell some of that customer data they're collecting back to the respective failed hard drive manufacturers. That way later batches of Hoppers, we'll call them Rev B models, will not only have the motherboard improvements, but will also have the improved 2 TB hard drives. Perhaps I'll wait for Rev C just in case. :lol:
     
  5. BobaBird

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    I'm told you won't be able to diplex OTA to the in-home coax network (it would need to be broken out before the XiP node) due to possible interference with the MoCA signal. What is the freq range of OTA?

    No idea, but don't you think you could find a healthier snack than that? ;)
    It was a direct link copied from the huge thread on the other site. Just tried to find it at FCC and now get
    There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
    Product Code: DKNTK421​
    I need to head back over to CES to get some more answers and don't have time to do more searching, but would like to get that link fixed.
     
  6. BobaBird

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  7. HoTat2

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    Before the DTV transition it was 54-806 Mhz for TV channels 2-69.

    Post-transition is now 54-698 Mhz for TV channels 2-51.

    And this is additional confirmation of what I have suggested that the Hopper and Joeys are using a sub-950 Mhz frequency band for MoCA communication same as with DIRECTV. In fact they may even use the same band of 550 ± 25Mhz. So look for some Dish subs to complain as well about the loss of OTA diplexing.

    Say BobaBird, if you have the time can you find out if there is any Dish rep. on the ground there at CES who can confirm my other theory about the XiP Node as to whether it internally frequency translates one of the DPP blocks up to above 2150 Mhz for the third tuner of the Hopper?
     
  8. BobaBird

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    It's in my notes from yesterday. DishPro Extreme (dpX) pushes one of the bands into a 3rd range above regular DP stacking. The rep wasn't sure what the range was. It doesn't go to a 4th range like the stacker/de-stacker.
     
  9. jimb

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    Explain the Joey box, if I have currently have 2 DVRs, replacing the 1st with a hopper and I remove the 2nd a vip 622 and plug in a Joey connecting it to the existing coax cable from the 622, what can be done to get a 3rd TV? Can the 3rd TV use another Joey and connect to just an Ethernet or wifi to access the Hopper?
     
  10. jefte1

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    have a 722 ,I know on my hd receiver:) the end of certain shows cut off by 30 seconds or so. I know when I had direct ,none of this happened. Will the new Hopper correct this with out having to extend the recording time?Seams like the recording stops just shy of the hour. for example, if a show ends at 9pm the recording stops just shy of 9pm.Just wondering thanks. Also the hooper is suppose to record all the network shows with one push of a button and delete after 1 week. what if you want certain shows to stay until you get the time to watch them.I certain shows now and watch them when i can,sometimes it will take me longer than a week to watch my shows. thanks again for all info.
     
  11. P Smith

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    Still getting "You are not authorized to access this page." ...

    Right. As I pointed before: "Hopper 2000". ;)
     
  12. P Smith

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    Umm, why you're looking for higher freq ?
    Using two cables with DPP technology give you FOUR 500 MHz bands (ie one half of any sat) what is more then enough for three sat tuners.
    For Duo Node - three cables provide SIX bands - exactly a number of tuners.
     
  13. HoTat2

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    Yes P. Smith, but there is only one satellite coax cable from a Node feeding a Hopper. So how would you get the third 500 Mhz DPP band block for the third tuner on one cable if not through frequency stacking it somewhere above 2150 Mhz?
     
  14. P Smith

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    Duh! ... Well, that is what I missed ... Give me the box, I'll post a spectrogram. ;)
     
  15. sulu600

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    Ditto on the OTA. Sure hope there is a way to squeeze another tuner in there. If they can record 6 channel at once, surely there is a way to add OTA. All stations are taking advantage of the additional channels that digital tv allows. I get more channels free over the air than I got when I first signed up for cable 30 years ago.

    Also not very happy about total abandoning of the Vip 922. Noticed in the Expanded Block Buster Movie Pass thread that the Vip 922 is not listed in supported reciever/DVRs. Third refurbished 922 already starting to act up.

    Steve
     
  16. Blowgun

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    I did write SHIP, not CHIP. ;)

    Unfortunately, that URL also doesn't work and ultimately you may have to store the file locally and link from that. Click HERE to download the PDF or use this URL directly. The URL is from P Smiths original post.

    Here's a typical wiring diagram:

    [​IMG]

    It could be that DISH system time is not in sync with the networks time, the receiver doesn't flush the record buffer and/or the networks is intentionally running the blocks long. DISH timers work on 5 minute intervals, so without adding padding to the timer you'll going to miss the end of the show. And, if you are running back to back timers on different networks, other than finding a different airing, there's usually not much you can do.

    As I understand, the Prime-Time Anytime feature records all four networks in their entirety between 8pm and 11pm. I'm told that you can then COPY what you want out of this. What isn't clear is whether the copy will be based on the guide data or you'll be able to pad the copy. If it's the former, you'll run into the same problem.

    If you are not recording back to back shows and you don't have padding set, then it sounds like a network time sync issue.

    You'll have to save them out of Prime-Time Anytime, otherwise they will fall off the back and be replaced with the following weeks recording.

    I personally don't find the Prime-Time Anytime feature all that compelling, so I would probably disable it and set timers the way I have always set timers.
     
  17. eichenberg

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    If one were to disable the PTAT feature, would you then have 6 tuners to record from or 3 or some other number?
     
  18. HoTat2

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    Three tuners per Hopper, with the XiP Duo Node allowing two Hoppers max. per install for a combined six tuners.

    Additional tuners to the Hopper from an optional OTA module, if it exist, has not yet been determined.
     
  19. BobaBird

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    :confused: It worked when I posted, now it doesn't. Try from search results page, click Int Photos 2, might see the error but wait for the refresh.
    Because 3 sat tuners is not enough for 4 rooms to watch live.
    And it occurs to me that may be why 1 Hopper has 3, half of the 6 available to the Duo Node off a 1000.x, instead of the 4 using the stacker they already have.
    The Save from PTAT function and playback from the PTAT list both go by your DVR start early / end late defaults.
    You will have last Friday and this Friday, and will lose last Friday on Saturday.
    You have to choose to enable it. If there's a night you don't want it, make sure to disable it before prime-time starts because you won't be able to stop it once it starts.
    3 tuners. You get the effect of having 6 during p-t because the 4 channels PTAT records are on the same transponder and it extracts 4 channels at once from the stream instead of just 1 as we've had to this point.
     
  20. koralis

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    I'd read one post by a dish rep that said post-hopper the 922 would be available as a free subscriber update w/ 2 year commit. Wouldn't happen until they got BBMP working though. Doesn't sound like abandonment... sounds like it's taking longer than they thought.
     

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