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Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by Rob Glasser, Mar 18, 2008.
I forgot they were in St. Joseph County. Thanks for catching the mistake.
Thanks everyone. That colorful map of the DMAs is fantastic!
The entire State of Utah is one local DMA!
If this holds true...maybe the fact that Dish Network will be offering HD locals in Columbia, SC that DirecTV will soon offer them as well That would make me very happy
Or may not. Or may include BBCA and FX. Or may not. What kind of silly wording is that.
What's up with the Harrisburg, PA locals? This is a pretty densely populated region (certainly compared to the SC DMAs, for instance).
What's holding up HD in this area? Any ideas?
You're not the first person to ask that. No one here will be able to answer it for you. Maybe you should send Charlie a daily email?
NO, not damned if you do. What do you consider DO? I don't consider any statement with: may,might,we'll see,within a year, hopefully.....a STATEMENT. Anyone can say that.
Damned if you don't, YES. Damned if you do........no way. The statement regarding locals IS GREAT. Everything else is double talk and pointless.
You are then more of an exception then the rule.
What I was referring too....
A LOT of people read those statements and don't see the words... may, might, and subject to change...
People are going to complain about the announcements... and complain if they are not achieved to the T... (aka they don't read the part that things may change).
People are going to complain about the lack of announcements, and have no idea of what may happen.
Actually you were spot on Earl ...
"People" complained about the near total silence.
At CES DISH mentioned expanding to 100 national HD and 100 local HD markets by the end of the year ... no list or timetable. --- And "people" complained that there was no details.
Last week DISH during the Charlie Chat they provided the lists and a rough timetable. --- And "people" complained that the list of channels and markets DISH would like to add and the timetable was too vague.
This week DISH put it in writing for all to see (not just Charlie Chat fans) and made a stronger statement. --- And "people" still complain.
No matter what DISH does "people" will complain ... so yes, DISH did 'do something' and they were damned by those "people" just as much (if not more) than when DISH was not 'doing something' public.
You people amaze me. Dish led the way in HD for a long, long, long time while Direct sat there with only 5 HD channels. Now Direct TEMPORARILY got ahead for a little bit and everyone is mad at DISH. When Dish gets their new satellite into position they will be right up there again with being the HD leader. They will figure out how to get the AMC 14 satellite into position afterall the company is not stupid.I don't mean to offend anybody here but it seems like a little set back and everyone is ready to switch. What happened to being loyal to a company that has been good to you in the past. For 2 years I watched commercials about Direct Tv saying 100 HD channels coming soon. If DIRECT customers waited 2 years watching only 5 HD channels I think us Dish customers can wait a couple extra months while we watch our 50 HD Channels. After all Dish still has a lot of HD channels so cheer up and be patient.
Don't know where you came up with 5, I had HBO, Showtime, ESPN, ESPN2, Discovery HD Theater, TNT, Universal HD, HDNet and HDNet Movies, that's 9. Besides those national channels I also had ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC network feeds in HD so I had 13.
It will be interesting to see how they become the leader again when Dish says they'll have 100 national HD channels by the end of 2008 and DirecTV has 90 right now and will be adding a bunch more once DirecTV11 gets launched. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out between both companies this year.
We'll you'll be getting them a month sooner than us if the release schedule holds true. I'm in the Greenville area. I can wait until May. I just hope it's early May. Direct has been unloading sat dishes in the upstate since Direct added HD locals last year. I spoke with a neighbor of my parents yesterday. He had Direct installed last week. I asked him why he went with D. He said that Charter had only about 20 HD channels so no to them. When he compared Dish and Direct, he went to direct for his locals in HD. The guys at my local BB and CC are very informed of this information and make sure everyone hears it when shopping for hi-def programming.
At least this will stop the bleeding for Dish here in my area.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
I'm curious why Dish has chosen to add their HD locals and nationals in the already crowded Ku-Band and not expand into Ka-Band as D* has done. Several of the Dish owned or leased satellites have some Ka-Band transponders, but I'm not aware of Dish putting up channels.
In my working career, I sold mircowave equipment to the TV broadcasters, and the gear we made in the Ka-Band had limited range due to rain attenuation. So when I heard D* was lighting up channels on the upper band, I was skeptical of how reliable they'd be under adverse weather conditions. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Ka birds on 99 and 103 were less affected than the Ku signals on 101 when we experienced some really heavy rains last January.
I'll ask Charlie the question at his next chat and see what the reason is.
Before DirecTV turned on their service Charlie scoffed at Ka ... I believe it was on a Charlie Chat. DISH's focus has been on high powered DBS for the past couple of years. They tried the Ku FSS band (105 and 121) but moved away. It looks like internationals will be relegated to 118.7 but the rest of DISH seems to be staying DBS.
DISH has Ka assignments .. extended Ku assignments and is seeking "reverse DBS" assignments. They might need that bandwidth some day.
Where's Las Vegas??
Many of the cities seems much smaller DMA than Vegas!
The last time I checked Las Vegas was out west.
DISH is working on using spotbeams at 61.5° for locals.
People in Las Vegas don't want their locals on 61.5°.
Their time will come.
I'll always complain about lack of information. But sorry, I stand by my complaint about the words chosen in this last news release even though I applaud their effort to give more informaiton.
While the locals announcement was fairly clear given the general situation, the national HD announcement wording was silly.
"Upcoming national HD announcements may include...."
How about: "It is our intention to include in our upcoming national HD announcements...."
That would be more in keeping with the tone in the paragraph before: "...reach our year-end goal of...100 national HD channels.”
But "announcements may include" sounds like somebody might forget to announce one. They need to rethink their news release department- find someone with strong writing skills.
One is too wordy ... the other isn't. They both mean the same thing - "We're not announcing anything, we're just sharing a list of channels that may be announced later."
If your writer is in the classifieds department they are apparently going for word count. "May be announced later" is simple.
what "people" are complaining about the LOCAL part of the Press Release?
Direct me to one thread or post?
While I am happy to see Dish make an announcement, I had to laugh (and question) the addition of "Cartoon Network HD", "Nickelodeon HD" and "DIsney Channel HD"?
First let me say that I have two boys (4 & 2) who love these channels and as a result I think I could recite every episode every made of Handy Manny. But seriously, what is the benefit of having cartoon's in HD? Considering the age group that watches these channels, do you really think my 4 & 2 year old (or any child) really cares at all if there shows are in HD or not? Rarely do my kids watch their shows on my HDTV, most of the time they watch them on a smaller 27" non-hd television that I could care less about how many fingerprints end up on the screen. I personally see adding these channels in HD as a waste of bandwidth.