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Press Release - DISH NETWORK STATEMENT ON THE PASSAGE OF THE SHVRA of 2009

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Jason Nipp, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. paja

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    If you are in the Chicago market, how far are you away from getting Chicago stations OTA. I'm in Orland Park and get excellent reception on my antenna, better than the retrans from the sat.
     
  2. BillJ

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    I'm 90 miles from the loop. OTA is not an option.

    Re the previous rant about PBS: I support PBS quite generously with donations. I don't mind some tax money going to them. My tax money also supports infrastructure for airlines I don't use and sports stadiums I'll never attend an event in not to mention your Chicago CTA which I'll never ride. IMO, PBS is a far better use of my money.
     
  3. joshjr

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    There are antenna's for 90 miles away. See below.

    http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...tenna-(CM3671)&c=TV Antennas&sku=020572036719
     
  4. ljr01

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    Amen. I have no interest in PBS, HD or otherwise. I'm already forced to pay for it with my taxes. Now some want to force me to be a customer of HD I don't want. I really don't understand where they think they get that power over me.
     
  5. Michael P

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    :rolling: That antenna would only work @ 90 miles if the Earth was flat!

    You would need to put that antenna on a 200' tower to even come close to picking up a station from that distance. Since you'd need FAA clearance (not to mention local building permits) for such a tower forget about it!

    While part-time reception when skip is up is possible from greater distances, you really can't reliably get 24/7 reception beyond the limits of the curvature of the Earth. For example, I get one distant signal virtually 24/7 from 57 miles away. In order for this to happen the station in question has to have a very tall tower and my receiving location also has to be on high ground. There are locations closer than mine that do not get this station because they are not high enough. Local ground clutter and/or terrain obstructions also play a factor in weather or not you can get a distant signal reliably on a daily basis.

    I did a search and found this calculator: http://www.naval.com/sight/index.htm While this is for use on a ship (i.e. no ground clutter or terrain obstructions) it will give you the absolute limit of line-of-site reception possibilities.
     
  6. tampa8

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    Where the h--l does it end? The government mandates that a carrier must provide HD for PBS? :nono2:
     
  7. joshjr

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    Im not familiar with that area but I know here we can put up an antenna and get signals from over 100 miles away and there are obstuctions in the way here to. I would at least try it. What have you got to lose? Use a booster and see what happens. I think you might be suprised with just a 20-30 foot high antenna rated similiar to the one I noted above. As a matter of fact if I can get the zip code I will see what all he should be able to get.
     
  8. Michael P

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    Do you get signals from 100 miles away 24/7? Anything over ~60+ miles has to bend over the curvature of the Earth. That only happens with the help of atmospheric conditions. Those conditions change with the weather, in fact certain weather conditions are indicators that skip is up.

    No amplifier can bring in a signal that is not present. When the signal is present the results can be astounding. I've logged signals from 900+ miles away (analog ch 2 back in the 1980's). TV Ch 2 works like short wave radio, it was more prone to skip than the higher channels. I logged KPRC from Houston, TX and WPBT from Miami, FL form the northeastern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.

    If you want 24/7 reception beyond 60 miles only satellite will get the signal to you.
     
  9. joshjr

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    I guess thats where we difffer. I work with a guy who has that antenna I noted and gets without fail channels 75-85 miles away with no issues ever. Besides this was not for you in the first place. Someone else asked about it. If you dont want to try it fine but maybe someone else will. You dont know for sure what results anyone will have. I say go for it and see what happens.
     
  10. Michael P

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    Before anyone spends money to try it, they need to know the facts.

    All TV signals are line-of-sight. If your location is below the horizon you cannot get any signal no matter what antenna system you use. All distant reception beyond the horizon need the atmosphere to bounce the signal into your area. Your friend getting 24/7 reception 80 miles away needs two factors: The station's transmitter has to be higher than average and your receiving location also has to be on high ground with a tall tower/mast (at least 40').

    The cost of the antenna and tower with installation could run into big money. It's easy to say "just try it", but if you do try it be willing to accept less than hoped for results.
     
  11. Jim5506

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    TV reception does NOT depend online of sight, have you looked at a TVFOol report lately?

    After about 35 miles nearly all reception is one edge then two edge, finally you get to flakey reception that is tropo.

    This is because the radio waves refract over the horizon and can and do refract over 2 horizons.

    Over fairly level terrain VHF reception at 90 miles 24/7 is not only possible but is probable because VHF radio frequencies having longer wave length refract much more easily than UHF.
     
  12. TulsaOK

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    My family routinely got reception from Tulsa to SE Kansas (~90 miles). The antenna was on a two story house.
     
  13. Steve_53

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    Do you mean to say it isn't? :lol:
     
  14. cj9788

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    What I want to know is if E* will be allowed to carry distants again?
     
  15. joshjr

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    From what I read they will be able to if the act gets approved and E* carries all 210 DMA's. The DNS would be for DMA's that do not have a full compliment of local stations. We dont know what will be approved in the final bill but it should be decided by the end of this month so hang on for the ride like the rest of us.
     
  16. cj9788

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    And what a ride it is! If E* is allowed to carry Distants again then I see AAD going away. I fear they (DC BOZOS) will fix the loophole that allowed AAD to offer DNS.
     
  17. garn9173

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    That part of the state is definitely in a pickle when it comes to local TV...neither in the Des Moines or Cedar Rapids DMA. In Ottumwa proper, I bet the number of satellite subscribers is way low.
     
  18. joshjr

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    Yep. AAD will not be around for DNS much longer in my opinion anyways. I am a D* customer though and have SD DNS feeds and 1 HD DNS feed. They are pretty handy. If things go my way I will get to keep my DNS feeds, be approved for Tulsa DMA locals and use and antenna to get my DMA (Joplin) locals.
     
  19. James Long

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    AAD will be around as long as they are profitable, although with DISH offering distants again there will be less of a market for AAD to fill. DISH offering locals and distants in a market does not affect the qualifications for a customer getting AAD.

    I believe DISH will be offering closer distants instead of one or two far off cities. People with missing networks will be able to watch channels from neighboring markets (with some customers receiving networks that AAD could not provide without a waiver). I don't expect national "distants" ... except perhaps for RVs or as the second distant market.
     
  20. cj9788

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    I always forget about the RV's. As long as those RV's are out there A national feed like NYC or LA would be around.
     

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