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Primestar Dish Question

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by homeskillet, May 22, 2004.

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  1. rolltide

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    I have just finished hooking up 105-110-119 on primestar oval dish.
    Legacy Lnb for 110 and 119 and Ku Lnb from primestar dish. I used
    SW21X switch to connect 110 +119 to Sat1 on SW21 switch and
    hooked output from KU lnb 105 to Sat 2 on SW21 switch. Works great.

    Signal strength -105= 90/92
    110= 105/108
    119= 108/112

    You have to use DP Receivers or the SW21X switch will not work.
    You can also use SW41 switch to hook up 4 Satellite positions
    useing Legacy Lnb,s and DP Receivers.
     
  2. Jacob S

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    I dont understand what your meaning about hooking up 110+119 on one side of the sw21 unless you are talking about a legacy twin but I didnt think you could cascade a sw21 off of a twin. I tried it a while back and it didnt work. The only cheapest way I could get it to work was by hooking up a sw21 switch to the horizontal side that gets my main locals (NBC ABC CBS FOX WB) to the 119 lnbf on the other dish. I'm guessing that the sw64 and sw44 switches have come down in price a bit now.
     
  3. BobaBird

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    He's talking about the SW21X from Microyal, which is essentially half of an SW42, cascaded through an SW21. The Twin/SW21 cascade is one of the basic 3-sat configurations.
     
  4. SimpleSimon

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    Jacob: I'm running a Legacy Twin wth a Legacy Dual connected via SW-21s to give me my two 921 feeds.
     
  5. julesism

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    if i replaced the old P* LNB with a new Ku LNB bought off of ebay, would a single feed from the P* dish with the new Ku LNB to my DPP44 work ? I see alot of Ku LNBs on ebay. I just wonder if they will fit and work! If so, I'll get one for sure.
     
  6. larrystotler

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    ALL current Ku band FSS Lnbs are of the legacy type and are not compatible with DP. The only way to get a DP FSS LNB is to get a Super Dish or remove the LNB from a SD and modify the P* dish to use it.
     
  7. julesism

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    ok, i went out today and found 121 using the P*. I had both outs from P* to in's on 3x4 multiswitch, then ran a single feed from out1 on mutiswitch to a DP adapter to an old 3900. I can only get odd xponders no matter how it's run. i've swapped the P* outs around on the mutiswitch. I get odds going straight from P* to the 3900 using one of the P* outs. I did check switch on the 3900 each time. I always got:

    1 1
    121 121
    odd x

    Why can I not get evens with the mutiswitch ? No where on the P* LNB do I see H or V labeled on either output. could it be something with the P* LNB I have ?
     
  8. Jacob S

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    What kind of signal are you getting on the odd transponders? If it is a low signal strength such as 30's to 50's then your signal may not be strong enough to get the evens.
     
  9. JohnH

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    You do not need the DP Adaptor for the connection from the 3X4 to the 3900.
     
  10. julesism

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    no low signal here. at one point, signal reached 100 on tp 1.

    since i only got odd's, i've run it to my DPP44 and tp1 is at 91. all other odd tp's are between 75-90. if you tell me to try it without the DP adapter, i will try again tomorrow.
     
  11. larrystotler

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    Ok, #1, you need to understand that you CANNOT use a P* LNB with ANY DP Switches. It will NOT work, except for the case of getting the odds. You CANNOT get the evens becasue the P* LNB is sending them to the switch on the 950-1450Mhz band, and the switch is looking for it on the 1650-2150Mhz band. IF you run the P* dish into a simple D* style 2x4/3x4 multiswitch, then you can get all the trans from the P* dish, but it has to be DIRECTLY connected to the receiver with NO E* switches.


    ANY 4 digit E* receiver HAS to have a DP Adapter when connected to a DP21, DP34, DP TWIN, OR DP Quad. The DP+ Twin and the DP+44 do not have to have an adapter because they support legacy hardware directly.
     
  12. julesism

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    i did/do understand that.... i asked why i was only gettin odd's when using the 3x4 mutiswitch connected to the 3900.
     
  13. larrystotler

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    Sorry. What type of multiswitch are you using? a DP34 or a true 3x4 multiswitch with the 13/18 ports and an antenna in port? If you are using this, then unhook the 3900 from the dish, and run the check switch so that it shows no swith detected. Then try hooking the receiver straight in and DO NOT run a check switch again. E* receivers will not see a simple switch. if you are still not getting the evens, try swapping the lines from the LNB. I can't remember which is supposed to be H or V.......simon?
     
  14. SimpleSimon

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  16. julesism

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    it's a true 3x4 mutiswitch. it was used for D* a few years ago. I may try again with what you suggest.

    The channel we want to add is German TV and/or ProSiebenSat. 1 Welt (german). lyngsat shows both of those are on odd xponders. Because of the way everything is wired now with the DP+44, there isn't going to be an easy way getting both odd's and evens on more than 1 ird using what I have. For now, I'll just settle with odd's on all IRDs and put the P* directly into the DP+44 since that's all i need and I know it works. But, if I ever get bored, I'll fool around some more since tinkering with this stuff interests me :)

    Thank you to everyone for all your help! I have learned alot!
     
  17. larrystotler

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    No, I was refering to using it with a switch. The 13 is H and the 18 is V, or is it the other way around? Anyway, if I am not mistaken, when using a P* LNB with a 3x4 switch, you have to have the odds on the 13V, so I guess it could work either way.....
     
  18. larrystotler

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    No prob. Glad it is working. However, I would see about scrounging up a few spare dual P* LNBs in case the higher voltage cooks them, or they just die on you.
     
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