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Public system is more efficient

Discussion in 'The OT' started by lee635, Jun 10, 2004.

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  1. Steveox

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    Have you ever watched a baby comming out of the vagina? When baby comes out you must spank him in 3 seconds cause if you dont the baby doesn't get enough oxygen in time it can ruin the brain. That causes down syndrome or a handicap with a birth defect. Doctors do make mistakes. If you make a mistake on your job your boss wont forgive you. He will ether write you up or he will fire you. Doctors dont have a boss if they're in private practice. Their boss is the lawyers. The lawyers will penalize them if they make a mistake which might cause them to lose their home,their car or even their bank account. Thats why doctors should be a little more extra careful with their patents.
     
  2. RichW

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    Gee, you keep feeding me these straight lines and it is sooo hard not to post a comeback!
     
  3. cnacht

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    What the heck med school did you go to. I have delivered hundreds of babies and you don't need to smack them on the ass to get oxygen to their brains. I quit doing deliveries because I didn't want the liability. Why would anybody want to practice OB with people like you in the world. People like you try to blame the doctor for sub par intelligence by blaming it on birth injury when maybe your kid wasn't destined for rocket science anyway. A Doctor can do everything perfect, but still have a bad outcome, should you sick a lawyer on him. Contrary to what some people believe, doctors can't diagnose everything ahead of time or prevent every complication. I would also like to add something else to the cost of insurance debate. I think obesity, tobacco use and alcohol probably contribute just as much to the cost as anything else. The funny thing is that preventing complications from these things is free.
     
  4. Steveox

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    Hey cnacht being a doctor is not a right its a privilege. Its just like driving a car its not a right its a privilege. I have to pay for car insurance,Car registration fee,Drivers license renewal fee,And have to take my car to emissons and pay $22 for a test. Plus when i break the law the pigs give me a ticket. So doctors should do the same like,, Pay medical license fee, Pay medical registration fee, Pay malpractice insurance fee, Pay malpractice tax, Pay medical permit building fee(For private practice only)
    If you make a mistake with the patent you get a letter from a lawyer threaten to sue you for over $100,000 or more pending what the jury thinks. 50% of those fees will go to help people who cant afford insurance. So doctors will have to pay a lot out of their pockets just like drivers do when they drive on the road.
     
  5. cnacht

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    When people with attitudes like yours make it so miserable to practice under the threat of lawsuits, people will no longer go into the medical field or certain high liability specialties. It is already happening in some states. For example, it is tough to find an OB doctor in Nevada because of the liability. I am not saying doctors should not be held responsible when they are negligent, but we should not be forced answer to every frivolous law suite. I agree that paying overhead to practice medicine is part of the business, but malpractice insurance premiums are putting some doctors out of business. Our clinic's premiums were $600,000 dollars 3 years ago. Now they are 1.9mil and that is with no cases against us over that time period. I ask Stevevox why are my premiums going up even though we have had no law suits. It is because lawyers are vultures and they care about the money and not patients. If you think doctors are money hungry then you have a bad impression because I could make a lot better money with less headaches from people thinking they are entitled like you.
     
  6. Steveox

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    Ok answer me this,Why is it so expensive for car insurance when you live in the city? Insurance is cheaper when you live in the county.Thats unfair. Its more expensive when you drive in orlando then in st lucie county florida.
    As far doctors go, Did you know doctors made an average salary in the 1930s though 1960s than now? Now theyre millionares. They drive BMWs, Jaguars and Mercedes-Benz. I make under 20,000 a year and thats not fair. The state does not care how much you make but youre gonna pay taxes and fees plus follow the laws when you drive. So why should i care how doctors get hurt by lawsuits. Dont make a mistake and you wont worry about people suing you. Just like my dad told me "Dont speed and you wont worry about cops being behind you or not" So if doctors would just go work for $60,000 maybe people wouldnt be filing lawsuits. Plus medical insurance would be affordtable to all people.
     
  7. Tyralak

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    I'm still not sure if you're a Troll or a 12 year old. Either way, you could quite possibly be the dumbest individual I've ever had the misfortune to encounter. People like you are the reason marrying a close relative is illegal. How do you manage to feed yourself?
     
  8. cnacht

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    Everytime you respond you sound more ignorant. It is becoming more apparent that because you only make 20,000 a year, you hate anybody who makes more than you, and would love to stick it to them if you had a chance. How is it not fair that you make 20,000? Maybe if you stopped blaming other people for your fate and get off your ass you might get a raise.

    The one good reason why you should care about doctors getting hurt by lawsuits is that someday you may need one and there won't be one there for you because they were put out of business.

    I could practice perfect medicine and still get sued. People can and do sue doctors when there is no reason what so ever. So your idea of not making mistakes doesn't mean anything because it doesn't prevent the frivoulous lawsuits that are responsible for raising malpractice insurance.
     
  9. Ray_Clum

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    Exactly. Anyone can sue anyone else for any stupid reason. I could sue the mods & hosts of this website for allowing the rantings of a deranged person to adversely affect my day. Then Steve-O could sue me for shutting down the place he likes to pump up suing people.
     
  10. djlong

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    Can you get any MORE ignorant, Steveox?

    I was there for the delivery of both of my children and you do NOT have to slap them to get them breathing!

    And insurance is more expensive in the city as opposed to rural areas because there's MORE CRIME in the city - a higher RISK and that's what you're insuring yourself against - THE RISK!
     
  11. olgeezer

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    Don't need to spend more than 11% on R&D, because of (lets see if i can do this number thing.) 6 they make a load of money. 14 much of their research is subsidised.
     
  12. Bogy

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    The small town doctor who delivered my son came back to his home town after the Korean War, with his medical degree. He served that small town in South Dakota well for decades. Then, near the end of his medical career he was hit with his first malpractice suit. One of his patients, an infant drinking water from the family well, contaminated with fertilizer runoff, was experiencing severe health problems. Like turning blue. Suspecting what the problem was, the doctor told them to take the infant to one of the larger hospitals in South Dakota with Pediatric Specialists, as he recommended to us one night when our son was experiencing an allergic reaction. We left the small town hospital and were in the closest hospital he had recommended, where the specialist was waiting for us, within half an hour. This family went home and waited a few days to see their infant would just get better. Several days later the baby was dead. A jury found the doctor guilty of malpractice for not immediately caring for the infant's case of nitrite poisoning in a facility not prepared to handle it. The doctor retired. The small community, at least the last I heard, no longer has a primary care physician willing or able to handle ob/gyn cases. Oh yeah, we need more parents like Steve, unwilling to take responsibility for following a doctors orders to secure the safety of their child.

    On the other hand, show me proof that the numbers of malpractice suits filed, and won, has significantly increased over the past 20 years. Show me proof that the amount won by those bringing the suits has significantly risen over the past 20 years. Show me proof that it isn't insurance company profits that have been what has exploded over the past 20 years. Insurance companies have it made. Everybody "knows" that "greedy lawyers" are filing frivolous claims at historic rates. Everybody "knows" the way to rival Bill Gates on the Fortune 500 list is to win a malpractice suit. Except if you start looking, the rate of malpractice claims remain about the same, and rarely does anyone actually receive a payout anywhere close to the astronomical amounts reported on the front page, and when the settlements are reached the dollar amounts, if reported, can only be found in the back pages, and they are generally pennies on the dollar. If you want to find out where the profits are in health care, its the insurance companies. The insurance companies you or your employer are paying your premiums to, and the ones your doctor is paying his premiums to. The Insurance companies some of you continue to trust your health care dollar to rather than the government. You ever wonder where the guys who were running Savings & Loans 20 years ago went? They went into Health Insurance.
     
  13. lee635

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    That's pretty much what the original article noted as to why the Canadian system is more efficient -- not paying for high priced executives at insurance companies, etc. was also mentioned.
     
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