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question about hopper receiver fee?

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by comizzou573, Aug 2, 2012.

  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    DISH now charges a DVR fee for the 501s ... but credits the charge back on the account as they "transition" to newer receivers.

    The 501 was not charged a fee due to marketing. It was one of the promises DISH kept (up until now) that the model as sold had no DVR fee.

    Development costs money. Even when they were developing in house and not paying Tivo any fee it cost money. With the 501 they decided to eat the cost to gain a marketing edge. With other models they decided to charge a fee - and even if you can rip one open and show how the models are not that much different it is a different model not covered by the promise that marketing made when the 501 was released.

    Ask DISH ... they explain their DVR and whole home and sling enabling fees the way I have explained them. One is paying for the development of the technology they have at their fingertips.

    If you don't want to pay DISH's fees go to DirecTV and pay their DVR and whole home fees.

    The early adopters of technology have historically had to pay a fee to enjoy such technology. What was the additional fee to have a 921? A 922? The lease upgrade fees were fairly high (and still extend to the Hopper). Asking the early adopters to pay a one time $40 fee to use 622/722 EHD technology and then an additional fee to use 211 EHD technology charged those who wanted such technology for the technology they would have at their fingertips. Call it an "early adopter fee".

    Perhaps those who pay the fee can complain that the Johnny come latelys don't have to pay for their EHDs. But now it is older technology.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Really ? Marketing plot ? I don't buying it. You should disclose the statement as IMHO kind...
    As to changing a name of DVR to impose the "DVR fee", it's RIP OFF trick ! No more then that. You should remember a court note: 'colorably different' - the DP510 is NOT colorably different from DP501. As your PC with different hard drives or RAM size.

    As to implementation of trick modes.
    It's something now !
    After they lost TiVo lawsuit the trick modes become so annoying - tell me about the downgrading "invention" what is require to pay by customers !

    Unbelievable ! Simple mode - get a list of I-frames and jump on this forward/backward with different speed ... What could be simple?! But NO, it doesn't work in favor of users, it working as butchered TiVo version against it's meaning. Duh !
     
  3. James Long

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    OK, here is your disclaimer: The statements made by P Smith are expressions of his own opinion. :rolleyes:

    Colorably different only applies to the court case, which included all the 501/508/510 models as they were similar.

    There were material differences between the 501, 508 and 510. They deserved a name change to reflect the difference in receivers. And although there are people who have modified their receivers, DISH sells their receivers as is in one configuration per model without the options one has on a common PC.

    The workaround meant they had a DVR. Without it DISH would have had to disable their hard drives and they would not have had a DVR.

    Perhaps DISH should have just given up then and paid the outrageous fees that Tivo wanted to charge ... but that is a topic for a different thread - and something that was argued out at the time. The Hopper came along well after the lawsuit was settled.
     
  4. James Long

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    BTW: Unless otherwise stated by the author, all posts, regardless of author should be considered the opinion of the person making the post. It is one of those obvious things that shouldn't need to be stated in a forum like this.

    Now back to the fee discussion ...
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I'm wondering - how much you should 'love' your sat tv provider to pay for a broken trick play functioning of new DVRs ? :D

    And how the inventions, new features, new gadgets could possible be worst in next generation in such simple functioning [ just basic DVR's - FF/skip/rewind/etc ] what you pay for ?
     
  6. 3HaloODST

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    Actually, I have one of my Joeys hooked up to the DISH USB wireless dongle (ONLY) and I watch TV wirelessly all the time. It may not be officially supported, but it's darn near flawless (granted I have huge wifi antennas.)
     
  7. bnewt

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    Would you mind explaining how you did this? IF the ota module becomes available for the hopper/joey set up, I may switch, but I don't want to run all new wiring if possible
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Isn't the sidetracking should be in other or its own thread ? - Check the topic.
     
  9. 3HaloODST

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    Soon DISH is going to merge the $6 DVR fee and the $4 "whole-home fee" together for a $10 DVR fee just like the 922.

    I plugged the DISH-supplied USB wireless adapter into the USB port of the Joey. I gave it the encryption details and assigned the Joey (and all the other receivers) static IPs. I have a single Hopper connected to Ethernet and bridging is enabled. So all the Hoppers/Joeys get Internet. Now I can link the wireless Joey to any of the Hoppers.

    Granted, this is unsupported, and you will need coax ran to any Joey location in case they for some reason disable this functionality (doubt they will.)
     
  10. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Really, enough of WiFi off-topic ...
     
  11. 3HaloODST

    3HaloODST Godfather

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    Alrighty then, if anyone wants more information feel free to make another thread and/or PM me...
     
  12. ggotch5445

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    Yes, actually I didn't want to go into all aspects of my own setup, but we have a SD, "under-the-counter" 7" TV in the kitchen that is fed by the 722's SD output. So to exchange that for a Joey in that room would add the additional charge making for the $11. Even if we eventually replace the kitchen SD TV with a similar sized HDTV, I'm not sure it would be worth paying for an HD Joey for that room.

    Maybe I was comparing a Granny Smith to a Golden Delicious, rather than a whole different fruit.

    And I should mention that we generally do not watch more than an hour or two of "network" programing each week, making little need for squeezing very much prime time programing onto the DVR.

    So, for us, the only real justification for the Hopper, at this time, is that part of my brain that insists on being the first to get the latest/coolest electronics.:)
     
  13. patmurphey

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    No. The Hopper/Joey system is designed for whole home distribution to HDTVs. You pay additional receiver fees for HD boxes. HDTV cannot be distributed the same way that the duo receivers do for whole home - by SD coax. The fees per HDTV are pretty universal - DirecTV even charges them for connecting an SVU TV with no box. If your secondary TVs are SD, the 622/722 setup is adequate and reasonably priced (unless you need more than one DVR). Additional boxes in the Hopper/Joey system are the same as 211s with far more capability.
     
  14. garys

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    This is the point I was trying to make, for example someone with a 722 with a 211 (three sat tuners) can feed two HD tv's and one sd tv with additional fee of $7 and the $6 dvr fee total $13. A Hopper with two Joeys (three tuners) to feed three tv's, HD or sd would run $4 for the Whole Home fee, $14 for the two Joeys and the $6 dvr fee total $24. If the subscriber is only looking at the additional fees, they may not want to pay the $11 additional fees per month. Obviously there are other factors (OTA for one), but some won't want to pay $132 more every year.
     
  15. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    You are put a carriage before the horse ! Present to us fictional info as a fact.
    It's future RVU client what no one has it, not talking about the price.
     
  16. patmurphey

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    Go to SatelliteGuys and read the Samsung RVU TV thread!! I'm talking about RVU TVs not RVU client boxes that may or may not appear over a DirecTV.
     
  17. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    If you came here - discuss here. If not - continue at other site.

    Per your phrase "DirecTV even charges them for connecting an SVU TV with no box":
    - what is SVU ?
    - DTV do not charge for RVU client - no such FW in TV or a [C30/C31-700] box for customers
    - there is no customer's Samsung RVU FW for DTV
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  18. patmurphey

    patmurphey Godfather

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    It's RVU, pardon my typing, and the RVU TV discission is on the DirecTV section of this forum.
     
  19. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    That's what I TOLD you ... Don't mix a discussion here and what DTV COULD charge, not charging.
     
  20. patmurphey

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    Then why do they say there is a mirroring fee for an RVU TV over on the DirecTV tech forum?
     

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