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Raycom stations may drop from Dish at midnight (and now back on Dish again)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by FTA Michael, Jul 31, 2013.

  1. Aug 6, 2013 #81 of 115
    Alan Gordon

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    The article has a mistake in it regarding the Albany, GA DMA listed below. It's NBC and ABC. WALB-DT (NBC 10.1) and WALB-DT2 (ABC 10.2) that are blacked out.

    The funny thing is, Raycom and Mediacom were in a squabble a month or two ago, and WALB was recommending folks switch to DISH or DirecTV should the channels go dark on Mediacom. Now, WALB is recommending folks switch to DirecTV or Mediacom.


     
  2. Aug 6, 2013 #82 of 115
    tsmacro

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    DISH to Raycom: ‘Match contract language to your public statements and we'll sign'


    • DISH ready to sign deal if Raycom commits to market rates
    ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- DISH customers in 36 markets remain in the dark today despite DISH's (NASDAQ: DISH) commitment to pay market rates to retransmit Raycom stations.
    The following statement is attributable to Sruta Vootukuru, DISH director of programming:
    "DISH is ready to sign a deal right now if Raycom will match the words in the contract with its message to viewers. Raycom has publicly told its viewers that they are willing to give DISH the same deal as other providers. All we're asking is for Raycom to put that on paper and we're ready to sign the deal now."

    DISH is encouraging customers in the affected markets to call their local Raycom station and demand to be treated fairly.
     
  3. Aug 6, 2013 #83 of 115
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    I am in the Jackson, MS market and lost WLBT (NBC) and WDBD (FOX). I fully support Dish Network on this fight. If Raycom is asking 4 times the previous amount from 3 years ago, that is absolutely outrageous.

    I am lucky to have receivers with OTA tuners in them and an attic antenna so that I can still pick the channels up. However, I am only watching the local news on WLBT now anyway.

    Charlie, hang tough and don't let Raycom extort you...
     
  4. Aug 6, 2013 #84 of 115
    TBoneit

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    Hi, You have stated exactly how the future employment market will be. No raise? Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. BTW we are replacing you with two lower cost part timers.

    I lost my last job when Sandy hit and killed the power and they closed my location. I had seen the handwriting on the wall so It didn't matter. I was prepared.

    Good Luck in the future

    Cheers
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  5. Aug 6, 2013 #85 of 115
    James Long

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    Pay per view is mostly movies and special events ... often content that is not available on a linear channel. PPV movies are offered before coming to a linear channel. There is no subscription (at least on DISH) that includes all the PPVs without extra charge.

    When I can subscribe to NASCAR and only NASCAR you can tell me a la carte is here. Until then, program based a la carte is limited to IPTV or physical media delivery and does not include the vast majority of programming.
     
  6. Aug 7, 2013 #86 of 115
    sregener

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    Let's say I'm a huge fan of "The Walking Dead" but I don't have pay television. I can go to Amazon and stream season 3, paying by the episode or buying the whole season. I don't have to subscribe to AMC. Same with Parenthood or any of dozens of others of top-rated television shows. That's all pay-per-view, or a la carte. Pay for what you watch, pay nothing for what you don't.

    I agree on NASCAR. I admitted sports were the current exception, but the situation is getting better. MLB.TV and NBA.TV are available as individual subscriptions. In time, the dollar signs will win out and the rest of the sports will end up with streaming options. I have the same issue with tennis.
     
  7. Aug 7, 2013 #87 of 115
    SayWhat?

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    That's not ala carte in the sense we're talking about here. If I only want Disney East and ABC Family, I should be able to get just those two without all of the other channels in the package. By the same token, if somebody only wants ESPN and not any of the Disney channels, they should be able to get that.
     
  8. Aug 7, 2013 #88 of 115
    Michael P

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    It appears that this fight may be getting serious. Yesterday E* subbed WGN on 19.0 instead of WOIO with the "Important Information" card. WGN?? really? Everyone gets it at 239, it does not belong in the Cleveland SD locals (there was no HD equivalent - HD still had WOIO / Important Information). I wish they could give us another nearby CBS like WKBN in Youngstown. I can get it with an antenna 57 miles from the WKBN tower. At least I can see the CBS guide data from WKBN.
     
  9. Aug 7, 2013 #89 of 115
    Stewart Vernon

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    Keep in mind, though, that the only reason you can do that is because AMC already made their money on the original AMC commercial-broadcasts... IF they couldn't sell commercials OR collect AMC subscriber money from Dish, DirecTV, etc... the show might not exist for the streaming outlet later.
     
  10. Aug 8, 2013 #90 of 115
    sregener

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    The very idea of a "channel" is so... old fashioned. You don't watch channels, you watch programs. You're forced to pay for an entire "bundle" of programming when you subscribe to a channel, when you may only watch one program or two a week on that channel. I know some of you want to hold to the idea of a channel as what a la carte is all about, but it was always about paying for what you watch, and not paying for what you don't. Expand your mind and embrace the future. Now that you can buy programs individually, it is no longer necessary to accept bundling of any kind, which includes the idea of a "channel."
     
  11. Aug 8, 2013 #91 of 115
    sregener

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    I don't believe this is true. Just as the argument went that VHS was going to destroy the movie makers because people would be able to watch movies at home, so the argument goes that streaming isn't going to support the industry. In fact, disc movie sales to home viewers are now a significant part of any studio's revenue. Right now, the big money is still on the satellite-delivered content, but that could easily shift. If every current viewer of The Walking Dead paid $2.99/episode, AMC would make a lot more money than they do on advertising and subscriber fees. There is a transition that needs to take place, and it's not going to be a flash cut from 100% advertiser/subscriber revenue to end viewer revenue, but rather a steady shift of viewer habits until streaming revenues are the lion's share of the business.
     
  12. Aug 8, 2013 #92 of 115
    Stewart Vernon

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    But how likely is that shift to happen?

    $2.99 per episode is fine if you only watch one or two shows a season...

    But... let's be conservative and not count 20+ episodes, but rather just 10 episode seasons for shows... So, one show @ $3 per episode would cost you $30 per season.

    IF you watch 12 shows of some kind during the year that essentially equates to $30 per month... IF that is all you watch, then it's probably not a bad way to go... but I'm watching more shows than that just this summer alone (Under the Dome, Major Crimes, Whose Line is it Anyway, Rizzoli & Isles, Covert Affairs, Suits, Franklin & Bash, Futurama, Continuum) + The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, various things on ESPN and some shows like Falling Skies that just finished their run...

    So... I would either end up spending WAY more than I do now OR I would have to give up watching a lot of shows... and if I give up watching them, I also will not be buying DVD/Blu-rays of the shows I really liked because I will not have watched them to know if I want them.
     
  13. Aug 8, 2013 #93 of 115
    James Long

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    Let me say it again since it was apparently missed:

    Program based a la carte is limited to IPTV or physical media delivery and does not include the vast majority of programming.


    People are not looking for just the top 20 or top 100 programs. They are looking for all sort of content - and they want it delivered to them easily. That is why DVRs changed the viewing landscape - record when it airs, watch when you want. And (don't tell Fox) don't watch commercials. It doesn't matter if the best of the best is available through Amazon, Hulu or other IPTV or physical media delivery ... television viewers want the all of the all.

    Present company excepted viewers are also fairly placid. It is easier to get them to pay $80-$100 per month (average) for a lot of channels that they don't watch than to get them to track down the programming they want and pay per view or per program. And assuming this is a perfect world (it is not) where every program that a person might watch IS available via PPV, at $3 per program the average $90 per month satellite subscription works out to 30 shows per month. You can watch one show per day or you can watch some of thousands of shows on linear delivered channels. Despite the high costs people complain about they are getting a good deal.

    Even if you fudge the figures, assume incorrectly that everything one watches is available per program and the cost is only $1 per program that narrows the average viewing FAMILY to three shows a day. The kids could blow your budget on cartoons before you got home to watch your shows. :)

    And the final problem I'll mention that would face program based a la carte is marketing. Without linear channels how would I know "Under the Dome" existed? How would it be marketed if it didn't pop up on my local network affiliate? How would the producer convince me to individually select and pay for that show? Free previews? Quite frankly, if I had to line item pay for television programs there would be several shows I watch that would get cut. They are worth the time but not a line item payment.

    Sorry ... but per program a la carte is NOT here. Not in a workable sense. There is too much content that remains linear only and it is still cheaper to watch linear than buy each and every program viewers want.
     
  14. Aug 8, 2013 #94 of 115
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    ^^ You could say 'per program' is, but not 'per channel or network'.
     
  15. Aug 8, 2013 #95 of 115
    James Long

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    I could not say 'per program' is here. It is not true for all the reasons I just elaborated.

    There are some per channel a la carte channels ... but they are niche channels willing to add a few viewers from lower tiers and are cheaper in packages than the a la carte price. A la carte channels are rare.
     
  16. Aug 9, 2013 #96 of 115
    sregener

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    And now we see the other side of the coin. All the people who have argued against a la carte have said that with a la carte, there would be less programming options and people would still be paying the same or more. Your argument is that a la carte costs more than the programming bundle, so a la carte doesn't exist.

    In my household, 80% of what we watch is available with an antenna. I have a DTVPal DVR in the closet that would work just fine to record programs from that source. So "cutting the cord" and going a la carte does not mean one has to give up broadcast television. What keeps me a pay customer is the programming that I do want to watch that isn't available a la carte. I can't get Monday/Thursday Night Football, most NASCAR races, or Wimbledon OTA or in a PPV format. And since I want a DVR to record those things, it's convenient to use it for the broadcast channels, too. My argument is that the day is not long in coming when programming providers can no longer ignore the money they could get by making that programming available in a streaming format.
     
  17. Aug 9, 2013 #97 of 115
    Stewart Vernon

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    I'm confused at what your argument is here... If it costs money now, you don't think it will be free tomorrow do you? IF people "cut the cord" then they will have to pay for the content somehow OR the content goes away.

    I can have pizza delivered OR I can go get it... but it still costs me money. IT even costs me money to buy the ingredients and make my own pizza.

    Even your broadcast TV is paid for... by advertising... and supplemented by the carriage fees they get from some cable/satellite providers to re-transmit. The only reason you get the option to stream that same programming online is because of the earlier revenue streams. IF the future becomes streaming-only... then that becomes the revenue source... and it will cost you much more than it does today because they will need/want that revenue to replace what they lost with the old model.

    Imagine cable/SAT die tomorrow... I guarantee you Netflix, Hulu, whatever you want to pick for streaming suddenly goes up to make up that difference and you are right back where you started.

    Driving Pizza Hut or Domino's out of business wouldn't make pizza free. It just means you pay someone different to get it.
     
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    James Long

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    Thank you for accepting that fact.
     
  19. Aug 9, 2013 #99 of 115
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    As for the current raycom vs dish dispute It appears to me this is going to be resolved later than sooner. I think both sides have their heels dug in.
     
  20. Aug 9, 2013 #100 of 115
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    Best line of the discussion, Stewart. :)
     

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