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Really, only 50 Autorecords?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by jimrobinette, Oct 20, 2007.

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  1. jimrobinette

    jimrobinette AllStar

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    Still limited to 50, although my workaround is to go to the guide and tell it to record the single episodes of shows that I am iffy about a SL on.

    Appreciate the input on two DVR's, but that just wouldn't work for me. And as a matter of principal, it shouldn't be necessary. Going back to one of my other posts, this seems like a simple software change. I know things are never as easy as they seem, especially with electronics, but I don't understand why the limit is there anyway.

    Oh well, have to live with what I got. I was a TiVoholic, and was very leery of the HR20. I have been pleasently surprised by the HR20, but there are still just a few items like this that I think D* could fix. I think over the last year, the amount of improvement in the HR20 has been astounding. It is just a shame it took customers to push that imrpovement vice building it better before release.

    Otherwise happy!

    Jim
     
  2. mtnagel

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    And what percent of "statistics" are made up? :rolleyes:

    Yes it is. But that's what I had to start doing.
     
  3. Redlinetire

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    My guess is just as good as your guess.

    The truth is, most people don't care about the limit.
     
  4. tooloud10

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    That's strange...if that were the case, we probably wouldn't keep seeing this mentioned, eh?

    That said, I think a lot more people care about it than you think, like anyone with a household of more than two people and only one DVR...and yes, you can just buy another DVR, but that seems silly when the fix should be so simple.
     
  5. Redlinetire

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    78 people posting on an internet forum out of a subscriber base of 16+ million is not exactly overwhelming demand. Especially when the majority of them will simply pay for a second DVR. Remember, D* is a public company out to make money. They're not going to add cost, no matter how simple you think it is, when those people will simply get a second DVR. Problem solved.

    The removal of the OTA tuner is a MUCH bigger problem. Just wait till the HR21 hits mainstream...
     
  6. generalpatton78

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    People bitch about the subject and you try to belittle them telling them then they are the minority because they are on a internet forum? You already admitted you don't know $*** about the stats on the subject. So just leave the thread if you have nothing to add to the topic besides "I like only Speed HD and don't need 50sl":p . Quit pulling numbers out your *** and let people bitch about a serious flaw that relates to the HR20. As far as the HR21 causing problems thats why you buy the HR20 if you need OTA!!
     
  7. gquiring

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    I would think many could find this an issue. I am the only user of my HR20 and I have over 30 series links programmed in. A familiy with a few kids could easily go over 50. It's seems weird why they would restrict this.
     
  8. tooloud10

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    Only 78 people have noticed it and they all happen to post here? What are the odds of that?

    And they won't add development cost no matter how simple? How do you explain the VOD feature? It doesn't seem like THAT was very trivial...

    I'd also bet good money that the 50 link limit WILL be gone at some point.

    Sure, like rack-mount DVRs that cost more for less features are going to be "mainstream". It's not even a product that's intended to be mainstream.
     
  9. Slyster

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    DISH mpeg4 HD unit doesn't have ANY limit as far as I know.. this was one of the toughest things to get over when I switched to DISH.
     
  10. jtn

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    courting Dish Network (EchoStar will remain independent-wholesale distribution), if AT&T buys Dish Network that should be interesting to see what the regulators say. FCC has been making interesting suggestions lately on letting things go opposite of the past. Maybe it's time DirecTV to make another go at it when the sale from Murdoch is completed (transfer of shares) to Liberty.

    If DirecTV is able to acquire Dish Network without any hurdles perhaps they will adopt the technology with the set top equipment and make many happier who are former Dish customers, and current DirecTV customers too.
     
  11. raott

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    That's funny, there are one or two guys in the OTA thread arguing, almost verbatim, the exact same thing about OTA that you are arguing on this thread, D*'s market research is great, if you need OTA you are in the minority, no one knows about OTA anyway, don't pay attention to the number of people complaining about the issue....etc, etc.

    I guess D*'s "market research" must be bad for the features you need but is spot-on for those features you don't.

    Let's start removing features because the "majority" doesn't use them, ie VOD, HD, it'll keep costs down. Keep in mind, D*'s product department thought the two push guide was a good idea too, I have very little faith in any "market research" done on these products.
     
  12. jimrobinette

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    Sorry this got so off subject, but as we know, it isn't a problem unless it has an impact on you! :D Well, I am VERY happy with the HR20 as it stands now. My workaround for this 50 SL limit is to just keep a piece of paper with the out of season shows and hope I catch them when they start. Most of them I do (F1 season, football, etc), but hopefully D* will see that this is, what I assume, is an easy fix and it won't be a problem for long.

    Thanks guys,

    Jim
     
  13. Drew2k

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    Define "most people".

    My guess is most people don't want restrictions imposed on them. My guess is people migrating from DVRs without limits will not be happy. My guess is this is a pointless argument because my guess is as good as yours ...

    Anyway, I am a DIRECTV subscriber who doesn't want limits on series links. Let me add as many as I want so I don't have to manage series recordings from season to season: I want to set a series link for limited run series like Psych and Stargate and not have to delete and re-add them twice a year. I want to "set it and forget it" - once.
     
  14. mtnagel

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    Well, unfortunately, it's been there since the beginning (over a year now) and hasn't been fixed, so I wouldn't assume anything :(
     
  15. bafuerst

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    My guess is that the 50 limit in part is what allows the HR-20 to record a program by pressing the record button once without any waiting. I'm not a database guy but I've worked on enough of them to know that the larger the amount of data that the query needs to go through the longer it takes. Every time the record button is pressed the HR20 needs to see if anything is going to interfere with that recording. Setting an artificial limit ensures the search will be short and appear to be instant. Again I not an expert but I know that the HR10-250 got slower when I had more season passes.
     
  16. rsblaski

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    Since the current search is almost instantaneous, I wouldn't complain too much if it took twice as long, lol, to search through a limit twice as long.
    Seriously, if it took five seconds for a one button record, that wouldn't bother me. It would still be tons faster than my old hr10 processed recording requests.

    But in the meantime, let's all get some MRV!
     
  17. davidjplatt

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    I can't believe the attitude that is being exhibited on both sides of the discussion topic.

    Having a 50 SL limit is too restrictive - it should be 100 or 200 - unlimited really shouldn't be required - how many different series links could you really realistically set up. It also shouldn't be a big deal to adjust from a software standpoint - I've been in the software industry for many years and certainly wouldn't expect DirecTV to program this so badly it isn't easy to adjust.

    And as far as a larger database - the number of entries in the database is trivial on modern systems - talk about millions of records and you might talk about performance issues - not a couple of hundred entries.

    Let's hope that autorecord doesn't share the 50 limit with SLs when it shows up.
     
  18. Slyster

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    50 seems to be a magic number JUST too low... even 75 would probably satisfy most people.
     
  19. marksman

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    Seems to me it should be a bigger deal than DLBs. Since the 50 pass limit focuses on what the box is designed to do, record tv shows, and DLB is a feature for people who apparently don't like recording shows, because if they did record shows they would not be able to use two buffers at once anyways.

    So I would like to see something like this get a higher consideration because it goes to fundamentally what the box is supposed to be doing. It is a pretty big problem for me personally.

    Maybe if I could just get all the people who want DLB to start actually recording shows they watch and setting up schedules for those shows, they might also run into the limit and then make it a priority.

    :) I can dream.
     
  20. marksman

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    I have had 170 Season Passes on a TiVo before, but at that point they are virtually worthless. Conflict resolution is not terribly useful because you tend to have too many conflicts, and you can't resort the order of items because it would take way too long to move items. In fact it becomes impossible to sort season passes on the older TiVos in any sane amount of time much lower than that.
     
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