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Recommended strategy for trial cord cutting. Set D* for vacation?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by SVTarHeel, Nov 29, 2013.

  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    We're getting close to an area "we don't discuss" here.

    IIRC once a week receivers need to pickup authorization.
     
  2. SVTarHeel

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    Nothing we can't live without anytime soon. Dad enjoys watching NASCAR races, but they'll be on Fox until the middle of 2014. Hopefully, if this works, we'll be saving enough money that we can live without them when they go to TNT & ESPN.

    I agree on the seamless part. I think I've about decided to go with a TiVo so we'll have an interface similar to what we're used to.
     
  3. inkahauts

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    Plus it integrates Netflix and all. That to me is key when considering cord cutting and not wanting to lose any programming really.
     
  4. slice1900

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    I recently had a receiver unplugged for over two months. I know the exact date because I had a sticky note on it with a date when it was unplugged so we'd know which one it was to put back.

    When plugged in it worked fine and didn't need to be reauthorized, though I was expecting it would be needed. Maybe it is different for DVRs, or there is a difference between the timeouts for residential and commercial accounts?
     
  5. inkahauts

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    Sounds like you never deactivated it. And yeah DVRs makes a difference too. we know at some point the DVRs figure out they are without authorization for to long and stop working till they see a sat stream saying they are authorized. We just don't know when that is.
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    How long after you plugged it in did you run?
    If it wasn't deactivated before unplugging, it has no idea how long it was unplugged, so "the clock" starts running when it gets power.
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    Folks it's best we move on.

    In the early days of the HR2x, you could watch recordings without a SAT signal, as long as the DVR hadn't lost power.
    After some bad snow/ice storms, customers complained they couldn't watch their recordings so there was a "grace period" change in the software.

    "I suspect" this won't last more than a week.

    Should someone find a way to have it last longer, "It would be best" to keep it private.
     
  8. Rich

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    And there's the rub.

    Rich
     
  9. Rich

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    Sorry, didn't read your post before I posted.

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  10. Bill Broderick

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    Not really. If you have a backlog of pre-recorded content, you don't need current content... until you run out of that pre-recorded content. If you want to do a trial run of what it would be like if you don't have DirecTV, then you should pretend that your DVR's don't even exist until you've made up your mind what you want to do.
     
  11. raott

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    There are plenty of sites that broadcast sporting events online (albeit they are probably not suppose to be doing so). The bigger question is whether the viewer accepts the far less than HD quality.
     
  12. SVTarHeel

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    We use it the other way around - we watch current content until it's exhausted and then fill time with pre-recorded stuff until there's something current again. That's why my original suggestion is considered a cord cutting trial to me - if I 'vacation' the D* boxes, the only way I have to get new episodes of the things we watch weekly is OTA (live or recorded) or online. If the trial fails for us, we still have the D* boxes that can be used again without having to start from scratch.
     
  13. TBoneit

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    Over on the Tech forum, No connection to this site, They do plenty of virus removal. One common cause of a virus (Malware) on the computer is looking for streaming sports for free.

    This is not to say they are all malicious sites, many are however.

    Somebody like a pay subscription to MLB for example should be safe.
     
  14. slice1900

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    When it has been much longer (like years) since I last used them, they'll immediately show activation expired the moment startup is complete. The only way it could possibly 'know' that is if it kept something in NVRAM that recorded the last time it received an authorization signal and compared that with the current time/date in the stream and decided it had been "too long" based on its programming.

    To answer your question, this receiver has been running fine for a few weeks, it had been temporarily stored when a few things had to be moved around. To answer inkahauts' question, no it wasn't deactivated. I don't pay per receiver, so there's no reason for me to deactivate an unused receiver. Since I finally managed to get a (still only partially working) directv.com login for my account about six months ago, which they don't really support for commercial accounts, this is of some use as I can easily reactivate an expired receiver without even having to call them like I used to.

    It was only a couple months ago I finally got around to calling and removing a bunch of old D10s off my account that hadn't been used since 2006, since they were taking up space and I had learned from this forum that I could actually get money from them since they're "owned" :) Most people wouldn't run into these situations, because they have a $6/month incentive to deactivate a receiver they know they won't be using for a while (not that $6/month is much compared to what I pay each month) Because I'm not paying monthly fees, receivers may time out differently for me than for other account types, but other than that I'd expect the process is similar. Receivers must keep some sort of record of authorization in NVRAM, otherwise they would need to be reauthorized after every power outage!

    To be clear, I wasn't trying to advise anyone how to skirt the rules - if Directv has a grace period (of a week, or whatever) where DVRs will still let you watch recorded programs even without a sat signal, I see no harm in people trying to maximize that. They're not getting any additional service they're not paying for, just watching programs they'd legally recorded when they were paying for service.
     
  15. peds48

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    It would appear to me that you are comparing "apple to oranges" since your receivers are for commercial establishments and not residential accounts. There is a big difference between these two, even software wise
     
  16. slice1900

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    What do you mean? I use the same exact receivers residential accounts do, and download the same software versions off the same stream.

    Obviously there are some places in the software where it does things differently based on account type. For example, I don't have the power saving option in the HD menu. I already pointed out the exact timeouts enforced for my receivers may well be different from what a residential customer would see, so I realize the software may act differently due to my account type.

    Either way, whatever the differences in how software version xxxx acts when it is running in a receiver activated on a commercial account vs a residential account, it has to store some sort of activated related data in stable storage. One would assume this would be on the access card, since they are well tamper proofed since Directv had all the problems with piracy in the past. This must include some time/date related information, otherwise a receiver can't report authorization expired immediately after startup finishes, and more to the point wouldn't otherwise be able to remember it is authorized at all after a power loss!

    I do know that residential accounts can get the same "authorization expired" message when a receiver is offline for long enough without being deactivated first, because I've purchased H20s off Ebay and sometimes they come with the card. I've seen a couple of them show authorization expired, which tells me they were disconnected without being deactivated first (for whatever reason) but by the time I got them it had been 'too long'. There's no way to tell how long that time was though since I don't know how long they'd been unused. If correct procedures had been followed the card wouldn't remain, so they were probably recovered from a rental unit or storage locker by the seller. I like finding the ones with the card since I can reuse it on my account :)
     
  17. veryoldschool

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    I don't want to close this thread, so "for the last time" let's not go any further into receiver authorization.
     
  18. acostapimps

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    If you suspend your account wouldn't they want the receiver back? Or maybe I'm wrong

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  19. CCarncross

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    Not when you suspend....only if you cancel, you can suspend your service for up to 6 months at a time once every year or something similar. Its like a vacation mode. You're not supposed to be able to use the equipment during this time period but some seem to have partially found ways around it.
     
  20. Bizarroterl

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    We've been off DTV for 18 months now. Don't miss it at all. OTA (Tivo for now), netflix, and downloads are all we need.
     

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