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  1. Jan 27, 2020 #21 of 106
    WebTraveler

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    Because Congress gets nice contributions from cable and media companies.
     
  2. Jan 28, 2020 #22 of 106
    Rosthol

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    There was legislation sponsored by Steve Scalise (R) LA to stop takedowns while companies were negotiating.

    I can only assume it has been lost in the shuffle.
     
  3. Jan 29, 2020 #23 of 106
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    This is not a new issue - its been around since the early 1980s when these original rules came into being. Second, it's been proposed over and over and goes no where....third, how do you police something like this - no takedowns, etc.

    Issue is this - cable/satellite import signals. Two choices....must carry - meaning system must carry if the channel asks for it (and qualifies as a real channel) OR channel charges and cable/satellite pay for it.

    That's the bottom line - today TV programs are available across platforms and there's little incentive to pay top dollar when customers can get the shows elsewhere if they really want...

    Channel groups are too large today and demanding too much power and money. For every fee increase DISH or anyone else offers, it comes from me. I am tired of rising bills and say no.

    It has truly gotten out of hand.

     
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  4. Jan 29, 2020 #24 of 106
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    How about legislation that has the distributor (cable/satellite) set the price of any signal that is also available OTA and subtracting the actual redistribution costs share 50/50 the profits from that channel with the TV station. This way the cable/satellite system decides how much profit they want to make off the signal and 1/2 of that profit goes to the originator instead of the originator deciding how much money they want to make off their questionably valuable signal. The FCC can set and audit estimates for different types of signal gathering by distributors to help prevent cable/satellite companies from sandbagging their expenses to artificially lower their profit estimates. No take downs allowed, all ota signals from each DMA must be carried including sub-channels.
     
  5. Jan 29, 2020 #25 of 106
    Rosthol

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    Except not everyone can get programming across multiple platforms.

    I am a good example of that.

    My internet is 15 Mbps.

    That is it.

    Because I live rural.

    I don't have that many options.
     
  6. Jan 29, 2020 #26 of 106
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    Add to that not everyone has access to "reliable" internet. I pay SPECTRUM $72.00 a month for 100 Mbps but it's not consistent. There are times it drops to 25 Mbps.
     
  7. Jan 29, 2020 #27 of 106
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    We're currently in northern Florida and right now we're streaming from Pluto on one Firestick and Stirr on the other one using our $20/mo AT&T unlimited hotspot with a ~7 Mbps speed here. Almost no buffering over the past hour or so...
     
  8. Jan 31, 2020 #28 of 106
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    agreed.

    But at 15 Mbps, if you really do get that speed - rather than something lower - you can stream - for a single TV, and that shuts you down on everything else, for sure. It's not a viable option.

    I resisted going back to Comcast for years - and stuck with DSL and the phone company - had 20 Mbps and really got about 22 mbps at peak. We could stream - to a single TV, and that shut everyone else out.

    I finally had to relent.

     
  9. Jan 31, 2020 #29 of 106
    Rosthol

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    I get 15 Mbps at my router.

    Closer to 10-12 throughout the house.

    We always don't have both TV's going but at that speed even one is tough.


    What does everyone think about the MYDISH community forum shutting down?

    I kind of expected to hear Dish and Direct were merging.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2020 #30 of 106
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    Directv and Dish are not merging and wont be any time in the future or at all
     
  11. Jan 31, 2020 #31 of 106
    NYDutch

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    As said, there's no Dish/DTV merger within sight. I think the MyDish forum shutdown was exactly as they said, due to lack of participation. It was much more active in the past when they used a more familiar forum format, but I think the new format drove a lot of people away. Including me...
     
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  12. Feb 1, 2020 #32 of 106
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    Well if the number of subs lost by AT&T in the last quarter continues, they will be talking again about selling Direct. I read AT&T has lost nearly a million subs in the last 3 months!
     
  13. Feb 1, 2020 #33 of 106
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    As long as DirecTV holds 50%+ of their entire pay-TV business they will not divest or sell it off completely in any way because of the amount of leverage it provides them in negotiations. Now a spin-off where they own the majority of D* (like 51%) and still can use it's customer base in channel negotiations alongside their streaming pay-TV services and U-Verse TV that's something I could see AT&T doing.

    Again the subscriber loss was intentional on the part of AT&T because of their decision to offer their 2 Year Price Guarantee promotion alongside versions of their base packages that included 2 or 4 TVs in the base package price and now those customers don't want to pay full price. During that time they did the same to U-Verse TV.

    They were giving those customers anywhere from $40 to $70 off before price increases in 2018 and 2019 took effect to keep the new customer pricing for those packages around the price Dish charged new customers for just the channels + 1 TV. Those customers who had the highest Unlimited plan with AT&T also were receiving either a $25 or $15 ongoing Video Loyalty Credit as part of Unlimited Plus/Plus Enhanced/&More Premium.

    AT&T wants a their subscribers of their "Premium TV" services to actually pay something for the service. If you look at my post over at the D* thread when comparing what both D* and E* had on offer back in November 2017 that clearly illustrates why AT&T was willing to lose that many subscribers and expected to do so. E* actually made more money off a customer who signed up for AT200 with a Hopper 3 and 4 TVs than D* made for someone who signed up for Choice (All Included w/4TVs) for the same 2 year period.

    Full breakdown in my post but essentially AT&T gave a Choice (All Included, 4TV) customer $1,423 in discounts and suppressing price increases for 2 years. (Customers who got Xtra or higher the amount was way more.) At the same time E* gave an AT200 customer $739 in discounts while suppressing price increases for 2 years. (For E* a subscriber of AT250 got the same amount.) For new customers E* had a higher ARPU than D* did for new customers while both were offering 2 Year Price Locks.

    Those are mainly the subscribers AT&T is purging itself of those who paid $60/mo for Choice (All Included w/4TVs) for 2 years and doesn't want to pay the regular price of $129/mo (in 2020) for that package.

    If you notice D*'s ARPU is actually remaining steady and in some cases increasing because of this. Also the EBDTA is now starting to stabilize which was AT&T's overall goal for their Entertainment Group
     
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  14. Feb 1, 2020 #34 of 106
    NYDutch

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    I don't expect to see a Dish/DTV merger unless Dish/Charlie Ergen would be in complete charge...
     
  15. Feb 2, 2020 #35 of 106
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    I’ve been with Dish 20 years but when it comes April and no RSN means I can’t watch the Braves for the first time in 40 years don’t think the offer of a free hopper upgrade will keep me a customer and I hate that ...
     
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  16. Feb 2, 2020 #36 of 106
    mwdxer

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    That is exactly what I would expect.
     
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  17. Feb 3, 2020 #37 of 106
    Rosthol

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    Talked to a Dish rep today.

    No RSN's in sight.

    Twenty dollars off the bill.
     
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  18. Feb 20, 2020 #38 of 106
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    After 7 months we still do not have Sports Time Ohio - what seems to be the problem ?
     
  19. Feb 20, 2020 #39 of 106
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    yeah, this channel's not coming back to Dish, well, at least anytime soon. this channel was acquired by Sinclair Broadcasting last year after Disney acquired them from Fox but was forced to divested it by order of the DOJ to prevent a ESPN sports TV network monopoly from forming. and Sinclair wanted way too much money to end the blackout that started at the end of the Fox ownership of the network or when Disney temporary took over ownership while seeking a buyer.

    the only way it comes back is either Sinclair O&O stations deal ends or Sinclair finally caves after lower ratings for MLB Baseball games. they clearly don't care about NBA, NHL and NCAA sports to end the dispute.

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  20. Feb 20, 2020 #40 of 106
    Tiny

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    I’m prepared for life after RSNS going with flex pack till it cost a $100 a month then it’s back to OTA lol
     

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