Removing / Replacing / Copying Hard Drive of HR2* Receiver [Photo Tutorial]

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  1. Oct 6, 2016 #641 of 696
    huttler

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    I understand now. Currently there's no way to transfer content from one DVR to the other. Coincidentally I spoke with a Directv rep today that claimed a technician can transfer the recordings to a new unit; sad when customer support doesn't know the right answer. :(
     
  2. Oct 7, 2016 #642 of 696
    Joe Schmuck

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    Stupid Question Time: While I suspect the answer is NO, I'm going to ask it anyway.

    Can you copy the drive from an external 3TB drive (80% free) to an external 2TB drive?

    The story is... Right after I purchased my DVR I went and bought a 3TB AV drive and enclosure, hooked it up and have been running it that way for 3+ years. In general we sit between 85% and 78% free. So now I would like to purchase a more suitable 2TB hard drive (yea, I could go with 1TB) if possible. For my family we record a show and watch it, then delete it. I would record more if there were a way to increase the number of recorded programs from 100 to say 200. Well, that is not the question at hand.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2016 #643 of 696
    P Smith

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    yes, you should remember - the process consist two stages:
    1) your DVR is creating partitions and formatting those
    2) you're doing a copy of folders/files by using Linux and XFS utilities into existing partition(s)

    so, if you're sure if files/folders existing size will fit to target drive - do it !
     
  4. Oct 7, 2016 #644 of 696
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    might be 60-70 free then
     
  5. Oct 7, 2016 #645 of 696
    mocarob

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    And you'll need some free space when you're done copying so the DVR can operate without being a slug..
     
  6. Oct 7, 2016 #646 of 696
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    I can't see a single reason to do that. Not unless you need the drive for something else and then I'd probably buy a new drive for something else since it'd be 3 years newer and no ware and tear on it yet. You gain nothing by downgrading the size. In fact depending on the receiver and size you chose you could (doubtful though) lose...
     
  7. Oct 7, 2016 #647 of 696
    Joe Schmuck

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    Thanks for all the feedback. Good to know that I should be able to downgrade if desired.

    Why downsize? For a few minor reasons.
    1) The 2TB drive is $22 cheaper as of today. This is not the main reason but a minor factor none the less.
    2) The WD30PURX has 3 platters and 6 heads while the WD20PURX has 2 platters and 4 heads. This results in less heat because there is less power needed to run the motor and less heads causing friction/heat as well.
    3) Because I don't need the extra storage space.

    For now I will be removing the hard drive (when I can turn off the DVR) and running a long smart test on it to see how if fairs. If there are no problems then I'll wait a while and test it again. As soon as I see a few Pending Sector errors crop up, it's replacement time.

    As for losing, I don't see how that could happen. The throughput differences are minor between the two drive models. The only reason I started with a 3TB model was because I have no idea how much a person could store on a DVR and honestly, if the recordings are encrypted to the DVR then there is no reason to try an build a library of videos that I will likely never watch. It's okay if you don't agree with the path I'm planning to go down. My reasons seem sound to me.
     
  8. Oct 7, 2016 #648 of 696
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    Well your third reason ties in with the what you lose...

    Losing part is because it has been found that the more empty space on a DVR the better it performs between 0 and about 20% free. So if you keep a nice big buffer of free space you know you'll never have that issue.

    If you are using a genie (I assume so) and it's a hr44 or 54 and you ever want to use mobile DVR you can take full advantage of its auto prepare feature which can use up to around 15% of your hard drive to keep everything always ready for download.

    That's the two ways you "could" lose...

    The price reason really doesn't make sense because you already have the drive so you are talking about buying a new one you don't even need really. So leave it alone is $0 and replace is what $80 or so. The $22 wouldn't factor in until the hard drive is actually needed to be replaced.

    Second reason is an interesting one. I wonder if you would actually see any less power pull on the DVR at the outlet. I'm guessing not to be honest. But if you do switch, if you have plug that reads power I'd be interested to see if there really is any difference.

    Heat again is an interesting question. I have a 4tb drive in my hr44 and the fan doesn't even ever come on it's so well ventilated. An hr2x or an HR34 maybe but I wonder if there's any heat savings on an hr44 or 54... I kind of doubt it. The real heat causes are the power supply's, and without those internal the hard drives seem to easily keep cool. Have you ever seen any specs about heat production between these drives? I don't think I ever have. Again interesting point, but I think it depends on the unit with that..

    I got rid of my HR20s because of heat a long time ago so I'm all for less heat. I just don't know that the two drive sizes you are talking about would change anything in this particular environment. In an enclosed situation sure but the hr44 is so well ventilated...

    By the way what model do you have DVR wise?

    Are you seeing any issues now? How old is the drive? You don't have to pull the drive to run a smart test. Long or short can be run in the system menu you access during a boot up. I think it's menu while it starts up as I recall get you to that screen and it's in the menus there.
     
  9. Oct 8, 2016 #649 of 696
    P Smith

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    Nope.

    DVR tests executing in obscure manner - you don't now what is running, nor what exactly mean its result.
    You cannot substitute independent SMART tests by DVRs.
     
  10. Oct 8, 2016 #650 of 696
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    Since you don't know... how can you say... if he has no issues I see no reason to run the test at all. But I'd assume the test built in is for checking what's important for its use as a DVR hard drive and we have seen people run it with results of problems on problem machines... so it does work...
     
  11. Oct 8, 2016 #651 of 696
    P Smith

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    It dos work as DTV comprehended its results in current FW, but ANYWAY - FW made a "conclusion" based on SMART values (perhaps completion code of short/long tests) and NOTHING else !

    There is nothing more (but less) what your brain would would deduct analyzing NATIVE SMART values and REAL completion code !!!

    Obscuring all the info and making cryptic results (do you really understand technicality of DTV messages in the cases ?!) does not help to get a root of issues with HDD. Duh !
     
  12. Oct 8, 2016 #652 of 696
    Joe Schmuck

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    My DVR is an HR44/200. I'd have to say that this is the first one that I haven't opened up the case. I added a 3TB eSATA drive, not internal so references to cooling the drive on an internally mounted drive are not relevant.


    My DVR is an HR44/200. I'd have to say that this is the first one that I haven't opened up the case. I added a 3TB eSATA drive, not internal so references to cooling the drive on an internally mounted drive are not relevant. My current case is well ventilated but there is no forced air flow. When I run my SMART test, I'll of course also find out the maximum temp of that drive and see if I messed up. And if there is a way to obtain SMART data from the drive while it's connected to the DVR, I'm all ears. I'm looking specifically for values for SMART ID's 5, 196, 197, 198. None of these are cryptic to me and make total sense.

    There is a direct correlation to the platter count and heat production, even if it's minor but 1 or 2C is still a value. As for power savings, that is a pipe dream, it would be immeasurable by me unless I pulled out some current meter and places it on the +12 line feeding the hard drive.

    While I agree that there is an advantage to having the extra free space, would you still have this debate if I wanted to move from a 4TB drive down to a 3TB drive? Probably. I think having 60-70% free sounds very good and if I were to delete the programs that we never watch, even more free space. And I understand you are trying to help and point out issues I may not be aware of but you are being a bit forceful about it. I guess I can see it from your point of view as I moderate the FreeNAS forum so I run into people all the time that I have to assume don't have a clue.

    I have no ambitions to use mobile DVR but that is good to know. When I want to watch a recorded program, I sit in front of the boob-tube. When I'm out and about, I talk to people face to face. It drives me nuts to watch people stare at their cell phones all day and would rather send text messages than actually speak face to face with someone. Sorry, hit a nerve. I'm old, you know, when telephones hung on a wall, when a 110 baud modem was fast, when playing outside was fun and being told to come in the house was punishment. Times have changed.


    That is a terrible way to think about a hard drive, if you have no issues just assume all is good. Serious question, at what point do you replace the drive, will I get some message that keeps bugging me that the hard drive is going bad, not that it's already too late? If that is true then I would be more inclined to not test the drive. Naw, who am I kidding, I would run the SMART test regardless. Its good to know for certain the health of my hard drives.

    I have no idea if the drive is bad, I don't think so, but there is a 3 year warranty period on it and once I hit that point I like to check these things out and if I see no problems, then I'll wait a while and test it again. I have no intentions to replace the drive before it's time so if it keeps running for another 2 years, I'm a happy camper but you can rest assured, if I hit the 5 year point, a new drive will be introduced regardless of it's health.
     
  13. Oct 8, 2016 #653 of 696
    inkahauts

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    I Don't mean to sound forceful at all.. Not my intent.

    I'd have this debate with anyone wanting to change a drive in this situation for any other size, bigger or smaller. What you have is plenty big enough to do everything y need today obviously. It's similar to me as the debate so many like to have about genie minis. I think minis are great and preferable for almost everyone over a second DVR for many many reasons. But others don't because they believe you have to maximize everything possible for ability over functionality. To me ease of use and functionality is more important first. So if something will work or already works great, why mess with it when there is no actual gain. I guess i just don't see a gain in you swapping for a smaller drive... or larger to be honest. And every year wait you usually gain from a little better drive for hard drives it seems...

    Mobile DVR for me is all about vacations and having something to watch when sitting in the hotel room and winding down for an hour before sleeping. Or waiting in an airport or something like that without anyone with me. I dont watch my tv shows randomly and daily either myself on a small screen. I mostly agree with you on watching tv on small screens.. WHY! I don't understand people who don't want larger than 50" Tv's. 70" should rally be a minimum if have the physical space. Life's to short not to really enjoy your entertainment in its best possible presentation. My exception... High speed police chases live. We have to many, I'm a bit addicted... So if I get an alert about it that I might turn on. But that's on apps, not mobile DVR....

    They have made changes to the smart tests and I don't know if they give you specifics for specific parts of the test. I imagine the only way to find out is to run it. And that takes along time so... Might be just as easy to pull the drive since its in an esata enclosure...

    I have not seen anyone really say their hard drive just died and that was it. They always seem to have signs in advance, random freezing and restarts for a while.. I've had one go bad, (a rough count of over 15 dvrs and multiple different drives for most over the years) and I was still able to copy it before it truly died. I usually swap mine around five years more for a larger size than anything else. I've got a pile of 2tb drives just waiting to be used again.

    I don't worry about drives in computers and such because I have mirrors and multiple backups in general, so I don't run hard drive tests myself. I can see why people would though.

    So you swap all your drives at five years no matter what? I've got some that are close to ten years and still working... What do you do with them when you swap them while they are still working fine?
     
  14. Oct 8, 2016 #654 of 696
    Joe Schmuck

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    After 5 years, when I remove a drive from service I will normally take the magnets out of it and then smash the drive. For a DVR drive, I'll likely just remove the magnets and toss it in the recycle bin. I like the magnets, what can I say. They are great in the office to hold paper on the doors (large heavy metal doors). It's even more fun watching someone take a magnet off the refrigerator. I feel 5 years is respectable life from a hard drive. And to be honest here, if the drive does last 5 years, I will evaluate if I want to upgrade my DVR at that time. Odds are good that then next best thing will actually be better. The one thing I really want to see changed is the maximum number of series I can setup to record, 100 is not enough. Maybe there is a hack/adjustment that could be made to facilitate that but I'm sure a software update would take it out.

    I have a flip phone, nothing very smart about it. When I'm on travel I use my laptop and just stream some Netflix if I have the time, or actually watch TV live :nono2: .

    Yea, I'm not a real big fan of the Genie minis although I have 3 of them, normally only one of those is in full operation (my father) day and night. I jumped from having three HR24's down tot he one Genie. There are good and bad aspects. I'd like an 10 tuner machine and ability to record 200 program series. I can dream.

    Cheers!
     
  15. Oct 8, 2016 #655 of 696
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    Yeah, I want 300 or more series links! No hack right now to change it.i am hoping a new device will change that.

    You lost one tuner... I am a firm believer in a system that meets the needs, might have kept one HR24 just for your father myself.. Depending on how he uses his machine.

    Perfect machine for me would be closer to 15 tuners, but I could survive on ten I think.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2016 #656 of 696
    Joe Schmuck

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    Yea, I wish that were the case because just after he moved in I showed hit the mini in his room, thought I explained it well enough, a few days later while I was watching TV I noticed the external drive was going nuts (led light on it). I found out things were a bit sluggish and I looked at the recorded programs and there were many missing, and more dropping like flies. I hit the reset button immediately and ran upstairs. Yes, my dad was deleting these because he said he didn't want to watch those programs. Arg! In all fairness, I had the Genie well be fore we thought he would move across the country and live with us. He knows better now.

    As for having more than 100 series, that should be a software issue, not a new model all together. But that isn't how DirecTv works I guess. 300 though sounds nice, nothing like having a little breathing room.
     
  17. Joe Schmuck

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    I checked into the Mobile DVR and guess what, it doesn't work for a normal laptop computer. :blackeye: It does me no good since I don't have a smart phone. Too bad, I would have at least tried it out while on travel but it's a no-go. The smaller drive is looking better now :righton:
     
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    I expect the laptop and desktop access will come soon enough. Probably in the next few months. That's just my guess. But I think a web page version is coming to avoid having to build apps for macs and windows that change all the time.

    I'll never get swapping for smaller if it's working good though. :)
     
  19. Dec 4, 2016 #659 of 696
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    About an hour after I entered the commands of STEP 10 (from Clambert) on page 1 of this thread, my mouse and keyboard froze on the gparted screen. It all looked good before then. I'm wondering if that's possibly normal or did I experience a crash & will have to start over. I'm going from 1TB to 2TB HDD and using gparted on a USB stick drive in my Dell XPS 8500. It "feels" like the drives are still working, but I don't know how long to expect to wait.... The drives are both directly connected to computer through SATA cables. Thanks.
     
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  20. Dec 5, 2016 #660 of 696
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    I would try to reboot and run FSCK utility to check target 2 TB drive file system integrity.
     

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