Reverse Band 3 Satellite LNB number of tuners?

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  1. Mar 7, 2020 #1 of 32
    b4pjoe

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    I currently have a SL3 LNB. A tech was out today for an issue and he said I should have a reverse band LNB but he says I have too many tuners. I have 14 tuners and he said the max amount of tuners supported by the reverse band LNB is 13. He said he could put the reverse band LNB on but I would not be able to use all of my TV's at the same which really wouldn't be a problem. All 7 TV's are never being watched at the same time. So he installed this Reverse Band 3 Satellite LNB (3D2RBLNB). However once he had everything hooked back up it kept giving errors on all receivers that there was a problem with the satellite. He thinks it just that the LNB cannot handle that many tuners even if they aren't all being used. I'm not knowledgeable enough with DTV equipment to know if that is the truth or not. So my questions are does anyone have the Reverse Band 3 Satellite LNB using more than 13 tuners and if so....how? Also can the reverse band be used with the same dish that the SL3 LNB was using or does the dish need to be swapped out too? He ended up putting my SL3 LNB back to the way it was.
     
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    If it was an issue with "too many tuners" you wouldn't see an error on all TVs, you'd see it on only the one that couldn't grab the 14th tuner.

    Doesn't matter if they aren't all watched at the same time, turning off the TV doesn't turn off the receiver. Even turning "off" the receiver doesn't turn it off, you'd have to unplug it for that.

    Some people have reported success using it with more than 13 tuners. It seems to depend on exactly what hardware you have, but no one is able to come up with conclusive proof of what hardware triggers the 13 tuner limitation. Stuart Sweet claims it is any non-Genie, but multiple people here have never had any problems using some H2x/HR2x hardware in a config totaling more than 13 tuners. Maybe it is specific to certain models i.e. HR24-xxx works and HR24-yyy doesn't...
     
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    SuperTech2131

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    What type of recievers are you running?

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    WestDC

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    A RB-LNB will give you 22 Tuners (1-Tuner is for the Swm it's self) So 21 Turners is MAX --the 13 tuners is a THING that was brought out when the HS17 was introduced so you could not mix old HD & HDDVR"S with the NEW hs-17 --D* POLICY

    Menu Setting - it will display 22 tuners on the screen for RB-LNB -I've been using one since 2017- using -17 tuners

    If they installed 4K service -D* is required to install a RB-LNB - CALL them back or order one from EBay and change it out yourself.

    When you install the RB-LNB -you have to rerun the SAT setup on all boxes
     
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    HoTat2

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    I use to have this question as well about my RB 5 LNB (5D2RBLNBR0-01).

    Which works fine with my current 7 receivers total (1 Genie, 5 HR24s, and a wireless Genie Mine which does not have a satellite tuner). This makes for a total of 17 required tuners to support.

    The way the RB LNB works is that it can support up to 21 tuners plus 1 common "network tuner" shared by all the receivers.

    However, only the Genies can see and use all 21 SWiM tuner frequencies offered by the LNB. Whereas all older pre-Genie DIRECTV receivers can only see and use up to 13 specific frequencies out of the 21 possible.

    This is why whenever I need to reboot all my receivers. I let the HR24s boot up first to claim 10 of the 13 tuner frequencies they can aquire. And then boot the Genie to acquire 7 of the remaining 11.

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    b4pjoe

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    1 H-24 100, 2 HR24-100's, 1 HR-24-200, 1 HR-24-500, 1 HR-54-700, 1 C61K-700
     
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    b4pjoe

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    The tech insisted it only has 13 "usable" tuners. He even showed me his documentation on his phone that said that. He also called someone else who also said it is limited to 13 tuners. Even the link I posted in my 1st post to the RB-LNB at solid signal says it supports 13 tuners. So you are saying it has 21 usable tuners even though the documentation says 13 tuners is the max?
     
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    b4pjoe

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    Looking at that RB 5 LNB (5D2RBLNBR0-01) at solid signal says it is limited to 13 tuners. DIRECTV Reverse Band 5 UHD 4K LNB for Slimline Satellite Dish (5D2RBLNB) My setup seems to be pretty similar to yours. Can you explain your wiring from the disk to all of those receivers?
     
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    HoTat2

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    Basically, slimline dish with SL-5RB LNB installed ----->8-way SWM splitter---->Six Homerun coax cables from splitter to six receivers (1 Genie and 5 HR24s).

    One Homerun coax cable from splitter to a WVB.

    One Homerun coax cable from splitter power-passing port to a 29v PI----> a short coax patch cable from PI's "to IRD" port to a wired CCK.

    CCK to internet gateway by ethernet patch cable.

    And yes DIRECTV "officially" and "confusingly" list all 2nd generation digital LNBs, the non-Reverse Band capable SL-3 3D2LNBR0-01, Reverse Band capable SL-3 3D2RBLNBR0-1, -02, -14. And Reverse Band capable SL-5 5D2RBLNBR0-01. As only capable of supporting up to 13 tuners max.

    But the reality is "unofficially" it's really up to 21 for the Genies only. And 13 for all previous model DIRECTV receivers.

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    So to get more than 13 I would probably have to do it myself as the techs do not know how to do it. Sorry drawing a blank....what is WVB and CCK in your explanation?
     
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    WVB = "Wireless Video Bridge" needed so the wireless DIRECTV Mini client can connect to the Genie.

    CCK = "Cinema Connection Kit", essentially a DECA used to inject internet access into the DIRECTV coax network.

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    OK so I wouldn't need those? No WVB because I just have a wired C61K client and the rest all wired receivers and no CCK needed because I get internet wireless from router to HR-54. So basically I could go "slimline dish with SL-5RB LNB installed ----->8-way SWM splitter---->Six Homerun coax cables from splitter to seven receivers (1 Genie and 4 HR24s, 1 H24, and one C61K client)"? And by Homerun cables you just mean RG6 coax cables?
     
  13. HoTat2

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    Correct but ...

    1) Don't waste time purchasing the SL-5 RB version any longer as 110 and 119°W satellite positions aren't needed any longer. Just get the SL-3 RB version 3D2RBLNBR0-01, or -02, or -14.

    I'm just too lazy to climb up to my dish and swap mine out for an SL-3RB type. ...

    2) And by "Homerun" I'm actually referring to the type of cabling "topology" used.

    Residential installations usually use "Homerun." Whereas commercial ones usually use "Loop-through" type.

    See here for a good quick explanation ...

    Why can't you use "loop through" wiring for DIRECTV? - The Solid Signal Blog

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    If the TECH-DID NOT Remove the Swm-16 -That what the issue was!

    I Don't use a Swm-16 -- I use a RB-LNB Single RG6--(one-2 way)_ + 2 8 ways --Connected to all receivers

    All you need to do is Remove the Swm-16 --One downlead from the rb-LNB and boot your receivers one at a time.
     
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    OK thanks so much for all the info everyone is providing. As far as the Homerun thing. I assume that is what I already have as each receiver has a dedicated cable so that sounds like the article linked above is talking about. I have the 7 receivers but I have 9 outlets wired as I have an extra outlet in the living room and one bedroom so if we move the TV to the other side of the room there is an outlet on that side for it but we only use 7 at a time. Can I add another splitter to the 8 way splitter for those extra two outlets? So on the 8 way splitter the red port would go to the HR-54 to power the LNB. Six of the remaining 7 ports would go to my 6 receivers and the 8th port could feed another 2 way splitter to my extra 2 outlets? And I would no longer need the old Multiswitch Power Inserter hooked up to one of the receivers?

    The bolded part above is exactly what the tech did NOT do. He never even rebooted any receiver after putting on the RB-LNB. He just came in and started doing satellite setup and started getting errors and then gave up.
     
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    Yes he did mention he couldn't use the Swm-16 multi switch with the RB-LNB and he did disconnect it. And like I said above about that bolded part. He never rebooted any of the receivers after putting the RB-LNB on the dish.

    I'll give the tech credit. He worked hard and tried everything he knew. The problem I think is a lack of good training for him. He was a young guy maybe 21 years old. Seemed pretty intelligent but he just didn't know these tricks.
     
  17. SuperTech2131

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    You can definitely run more than 13 non genie tuners, do it quite often on the 3D2 LNB. H24 HR24 h25 h44 hr44 hr54 any combination as long as it doesnt exceed 21 tuners. Of course the recorders take 2, but I have setup multiple systems with a genie amd clients, and 3-4 HD/DVRs. I'm not 100% positive but I believe the issue with the 13 tuners comes in with Pre -24 recievers. I'm not positive. But I believe that's the case.

    I know for certain. Just today I setup one system that had:

    2 h24's
    4 hr24s
    A hr54
    And 3 clients

    As well as another setup with 15 h44's and 2 h25s.



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  18. HoTat2

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    But the issue is that you can not exceed 13 max tuners with pre-Genie era receivers and/or DVRs. As the older boxes can only see 13 of the 21 SWiM channel frequencies offered by the 3D2 LNBs (Or 13 of the 15 possible SWiM channels offered by either output of a DSWM-30 multiswitch).

    For example, let's say you connected six HR24s and one H25 receiver to a 3D2 LNB. You cannot connect any more older receivers as the 13 SWiM tuner channels that those boxes can see are now all in use.

    You can now only add a Genie to this example to exceed those previous 13 since it can utilize any of the 8 remaining available SWiM channels of the LNB that the older boxes can't use or even see.

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  19. SuperTech2131

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    I'm not sure I believe that, I'm almost positive i have seen more than 13. Pre h44 one 1 3d2 LNB, I will have to go ride back I and check some of the spots I worked on. I know the local applebees has more than 13. And i believe the chillis to, and I know I upgraded both of them to the 3D2LNB

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  20. SuperTech2131

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    I'm not trying to say your wrong, just my mind isnt processing it correctly.

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