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Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by Randy C, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Randy C

    Randy C New Member

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    Now this looks similar to what I was thinking and it appears it will be the easiest way to make all this work. So now, based on other comments in this thread, it looks like I might need to run two cable runs for each the tv and internet? And then I can just power both the amp and the PI29 at the house.

    But about the amplifier. Wouldn't I want to amplify the signal prior to the long run? It seems to me if I have signal loss and try to amplify the degraded signal than I'm still losing fidelity. Wouldn't it be preferable to amplify the signal prior to the run so when it degrades over the run I end up with comparable signal and loss as if the gap wasn't there? I definitely would prefer to not have to run a separate line for power, but if I'm going to go through all this trouble I'd like to get it done right the first time and get the best signal possible out of it.
     
  2. Randy C

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    I'll do that, thanks. One of the things that has been hampering this evolution is that I don't really have anybody in my small town to talk to about it, and the few that I have tried with look at me like I'm growing a second head. No installer is even willing to consider the run, they all just look at the trees, shake their head and walk away.
     
  3. longrider

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    I was thinking the same thing. I have a lot of respect for the poster but I always put the amplifier first. If you amplify at the house you are amplifying the noise as much as the signal.
     
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    So as I'm drawing this system out, I'm thinking that the second longspan device will probably need to be powered from a 120V AC source, right? And so will the router I would think, so it kinda looks like I'm not going to be able to avoid running power out there...

    Well, now that I'm looking at the veracity product page for the longspan it does seem like I might not need a power supply for the extender after all, but still presumably for the router. I'm not sure if HughesNet routers need their own power supply or if they are PoE...
     
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    I dont know about teh latest equipment as it has been 10 years since I used DirecWay (now HughesNet) but they were NOT POE. Also the receiver is just a modem, you still want your own router. If you do run power out to the dish and can build a weatherproof enclosure I would probably put all the sat internet equipment at the dish and run fiber for data. Fiber wont have the 100 meter limit Ethernet has.
     
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  6. Randy C

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    That was my original consideration, using fiber to transmit the data, but the lack of power supply to the two LNBs kinda squashed that idea. However, using a PI-29 would work for the tv dish, so if I could do that for the internet dish as well that would be ideal. It would also allow me to condense my power and fiber into one conduit run as opposed to two, making that a little easier as well.

    I'm going to call solid signal Monday and see what we can come up with. It sounds like they're the ones to talk to in person and nail down some of these ideas you folks have given me.
     
  7. slice1900

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    You can't amplify a strong signal beyond a certain point or you'll make it worse (imagine trying to add an amplifier to your sound system when it is already cranked up - your speakers will distort)

    You might be able to get away with Sonora's 14 db model at the far end and another amplifier at the near end, but there's no way amplifying by 28 db at the far end wouldn't compress and destroy the integrity of the signal. You'd be surprised at how weak a signal can get where an amplifier can still recover it almost identical in quality to what it was originally (and don't worry, even if the signal integrity is only "almost as good" as it was originally your picture quality won't suffer since it is digital)
     
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  8. slice1900

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    I wasn't suggesting POE to directly power the router/modem/whatever his satellite internet uses. You'd have to use a POE extractor and figure out a way to use it to power that device. I left that part out because I have no idea what he has on that end, what sort of a plug it has, what sort of voltage it needs, etc. Just another option, assuming he can figure out how to connect the two more easily/cheaply than he can put in a solar battery system or run a 110v AC circuit down there.
     
  9. Rich

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    I guess there's a reason for not taking the trees down? I'm not suggesting the whole forest, just enough to get a signal for the next 30 years. How's about a picture of the house, I'm sure I'm not the only one that's curious?

    Rich
     
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    The guy I talked to at Solid Signal told me where to put the amp. You really ought to call them.

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    I was wondering about the same thing, I don't have the knowledge to say anything much about this. The guy I spoke to at SS was a big help. My amp is at the end of a 50 to 60 foot run and feeds the second SWM16 switch with short coax jumpers. For a much longer run would two amps work, one at the beginning of the run and one nearer the end? Just a WAG, I know the amps SS sells are relatively inexpensive.

    Rich
     
  12. slice1900

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    Yes, smaller two amps would work but then you need more power on the far end. I really don't think there would be any measurable difference doing this versus one larger amp.

    I was going for the simplest setup. Solid Signal are the experts though, so if they don't like that idea and think an amp on both ends is necessary then yeah it is only an extra $70 or so. They offer returns so you could try one, and if isn't rock solid send it back and get two smaller ones.
     
  13. Randy C

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    I'm definitely going to call those guys tomorrow, just from listening to you guys it sounds like they'll be able to set me up properly.

    I'll post some pictures in a bit to let you see what I'm looking at.
     
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    Alright, I just tried to upload a picture but it said it was too large to upload. I'll try again tomorrow when I get onto a computer.

    On the upside though, I was walking my property earlier and I discovered a 240V power box halfway to the site I'm going to use for the dishes! I've yet to check and make sure it's powered, but talking to the previous owner I have no reason to believe it doesn't, so I have power halfway to the site! What kind of cord should I run for power for only 200-300 feet? Standard SO cable at this point, or will I still have to go a little larger?
     
  15. longrider

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    That box definitely makes it easier, but I would still not use SO cord as it just wont last for more than a few years and we are not even discussing code. If the cord plugs into a regular receptacle code is no longer an issue but I still dont recommend it. For that distance I would get some 14/2 W/Ground type UF romex which is certified for direct burial. At this point I would get a local electrician involved, you need to be sure you have a neutral in that box to derive a 120V circuit and the breaker feeding it in the house will most likely need to be changed. You dont happen to be in Colorado are you? I would be happy to give you a hand
     
  16. Randy C

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    Well that was a complete waste of time. I chatted with Solid Signal online (while I'm at work) and the guy there was less than helpful, he wouldn't answer any of my questions and mostly spent the entire time evading them. So then I took a break and called them, but that guy wasn't much help either. He basically said nobody knows much about my situation because they really only deal with home runs, not extended runs like this. Guess I'm going to have to cross my fingers and roll the dice and see what happens. :(
     
  17. slice1900

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    Pretty sure they offer returns, so in the unlikely event what you buy just plain doesn't work you won't be out any more than shipping cost.
     
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    Well, it was a few years ago that I bought the amp from SS, perhaps things have changed there? The guy I talked to was very knowledgeable. I'm surprised...and disappointed. Wonder if Stuart still reads posts here...

    Rich
     
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    Betcha Amazon sells them, probably easier to return something to them. I do that a lot, visit sites, get the model info, buy at Amazon. Less hassle.

    Rich
     
  20. slice1900

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    Yes just checked and Amazon sells the LA281R-T I linked before - and there's a review stating "We had to amplify a Direct TV signal over 500ft of RJ11 Coax. The amplifier is performing exactly as anticipated."
     
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