RSN Fee Question Rant

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  1. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    Wait, if they play ever game then that is what we are paying for. How could it not be?

    It seems some leagues have to hit a minimum number of games over a year or two. I suspect all but baseball will do that.

    In the long run baseball is the only one I bet might not get their full RSN deals. And I wonder if channels like the Dodgers channel still will, unlike say a FOX sports channel that does multiple teams.
     
  2. jeret

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    It could not be because we are paying for games that are not being played now, for how many months it turns out to be. Then whenever they do play the games, we are paying for the missed games again, essentially paying double for those games. Example: We missed all the baseball games in April. I still paid $9.99 for my RSN in April. Say those missed games are made up in August. I will still pay $9.99 in August for the RSN. So, to me, I am paying $19.98 for the August games because I didn't get them in April. Sounds like a windfall for somebody.
     
  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I doubt every league will play every game - but even if they do (cramming in double and tripple headers or multiple games per week) compressed seasons are not the same. When every sport starts up and plays at the same time with overlapping events there will be an overwhelming amount of content. I expect content will shift between broadcast and RSNs and many events will need to be aired on a delay.

    Even if a schedule is worked out where every game is played at a non-overlapping time (or at least no more overlaps than during a normal year) it is too much to watch at one time. I enjoy a non RSN sport, NASCAR, that has been running multiple races per week to make up for the eight weeks that they could not race. A normal schedule would be one to three races per week (one in each division) but now there is a race practically every night. I don't have the time to watch that much content!

    People who like multiple sports are going to be flooded with content that the RSNs may not have space to air and the viewers won't have time to watch. Certainly not what subscribers want.
     
  4. JoeTheDragon

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    Directv has the room for lots of RSN overflows
     
  5. James Long

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    Do the RSNs have enough overflow channels to feed them? Overlapping programming still doesn't help with the gross number of hours of programs the leagues would need to cram in to a shortened schedule.
     
  6. inkahauts

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    You don’t pay per month for sports. They figure out how much they need for the entire year or season for all sports then split it up and spread it out over the year. You won’t ever be paying twice. The only possibility is paying for games that never get played. But we also know that the costs are the same as long as they hit a minimum number of games for a season. (Some reports say a minimum over a couple years which means the nba will probably get paid for full seasons for all teams no matter what and nhl as well since they had so few games left to hit that minimum if it’s what has been reported. ) So they can play a few less and still charge the full

    Baseball is the one thing we just don’t know at all. Clearly they’re not going to play a full season, but no one has said how many games they have to play in order to be required to get full payment. And while it be nice if the RSM lowered the fee for any games of baseball that was missed I highly doubt that would ever get passed on to the consumer. We can hope though.

    I also doubt someone like ESPN would ever give us a discount at all just because they weren’t able to air Wimbledon for example.
     
  7. jeret

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    Inkahauts, thank you for the trying to explain how these contracts work. I am one of those old guys, like probably millions and millions of other pay tv consumers, that just want turn on the TV and as the sane goes "you get what you pay for" and we are just not getting what we are paying for. As for these contracts, do the broadcast networks have the same type of contract as the RSNs. To listen to the baseball mucky mucks, and the NBA, they are loosing millions and millions of $.$$ because of the lose of TV revenue. Are the 4 TV networks paying for any golf matches or tennis matches or any other sports related telecast that were cancelled? From the way I understand it, the broadcast networks do not pay anything to leagues, teams, associations or individuals unless they actually broadcast the event, but the same leagues, teams, associations or individuals get their revenue from the RSNs if they broadcast a certain amount of events. Sounds like a great deal for those who have RSN contracts, but not such a good deal for the consumer. And what really gets me is D* and probably the other pay TV services, require their subscribers have the RSNs and pay the fee unless you want to change your base package, which I do not want to do.

    As far as ESPN goes, Wimbledon was what, a one week event? I could live with that, but getting nothing for 4 or 5 months and still paying the fee. Not good. ESPN is also attempting to come up with live programming and not giving us 24 hours of reruns and infomercials. Do you think ESPN is paying MLB, NBA, or the NHL for games that were scheduled but not telecast?

    Some people are predicting this virus could be back this November, so we may be having this conversation all over again. The Rant continues!
     
  8. James Long

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    Sources: NBA board expected to OK restart plan
    Top 22 teams playing at Disney World?

    Six lingering issues as MLB and the MLBPA enter their most important week of labor talks in 25 years
    82 game season starting in July (spring training in June)?

    NHL announces Return to Play Plan
    The 2019-20 regular season is declared concluded through games of March 11. The 189 games originally scheduled from March 12 - April 4 will not be played.
    24 teams will resume play: the top 12 in each Conference on the basis of points percentage at the pause (through games of March 11).

    2020 NFL Schedule
    Announced schedule - subject to change (not an RSN sport but still of interest)

    Next level would be the other pro sports and college sports.
     
  9. SamC

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    Easily do-able. Disney World has a huge footprint, about the size of a county, and is able to be almost self-reliant. The WWofS complex, which is used in normal times for HS aged national competitions to draw more visitors to the parks in slack times, has facilities for most any sport.

    There will be no baseball this year.

    A bit grandiose. 24 teams, with the top 8 playing round robins for seeding purposes is too many, really. A top 16 would be better.

    NFL football will start on schedule.

    College football will start on time as well. Motorsports and golf are already back. I think "M"LS is having some sort of tournament in lieu of a season. The big issue will be non-revenue college sports (which are necessary for Title IX and compliance purposes) because they often travel either commercial air or by bus, while football is an easy to control charter.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    Espn and rsn has been airing a lot of older classic games from different sports. Normally their is a fee to be paid for that. We will never know but it wouldn’t surprise me if the leagues have simply authorized that to help them out.

    They are losing now but if all these sports come back and are the only thing on they could easily see massive ratings increases and end up making just as much revenue overall with a few less games as they would have otherwise. We won’t know till the end of the year when things finish up.

    Cancelled is quite different from postponed and none of the major leagues have canceled anything yet technically speaking.

    And to a certain extent while Wimbledon being canceled (probably didn’t need to but they did it early on) means a big loss of revenue for the two weeks it also means they won’t have to spend the money to produce it too so their costs are non existent for that event either. So that helps them a lot.

    RSN fees are not really extra fees. They broke out the costs because they are so different in so many markets and wanted to be able to market the pricing as lower. And once one company did it they all did to keep the advertising equal to each other. The “rsn fee” has always existed it just wasn’t publicized before. They could probably charge everyone 80% of what the highest fee is and simply raise ever package by that much and make the fee disappear...

    I don’t know when payments take place and what has or hasn’t but it really doesn’t matter from a week to week basis. It matters what the total is at the end of a season...
     
  11. inkahauts

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    Looks like Disney world will have both nba and mls actually.

    Baseball players made a counter proposal late last night. I have a feeling we will see baseball.
     
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  12. krel

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    i got the RSN'S credited back since there's no sports playing..
     
  13. krel

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    i sure hope we see baseball!!!
     
  14. jeret

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    Good for you. How many months did they credit you with? Do you know if you are going to be charged for next month (July)?
     
  15. krel

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    the csr gave me a 20.00 credit for june and july. the the system would not let her credit for the rsn's she had to do it another way. but it got done..
     
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  16. krel

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    i heard on the news last night that baseball came to an agreement. i sure hope so i am sick of watching rerun's lol
     

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